ebinmaine 68,205 #1 Posted July 5 Was there ever an Eaton 1100 equipped tractor with manual lift? If we wanted to change a Workhorse GT 1800 from hydro lift to manual, would we need to block any ports or get a bypass hose of some sort? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 505 #2 Posted July 5 Why would you want to do that. Missing parts? I love my hydros. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,205 #3 Posted July 5 23 minutes ago, Wayne0 said: Why would you want to do that. Missing parts? I love my hydros. This is for the guy we built the tractor for last fall. He got a hydro lift specifically for usage with a two-stage snowblower that I bought back. He now has no usage for a hydro lift. It needs a cylinder rebuild and two hoses minimum. In the coming months. We have all the parts for a manual lift already. I'm just wondering if it's feasible. This guy does not need a hydro lift anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,436 #4 Posted July 5 Just now, ebinmaine said: This is for the guy we built the tractor for last fall. He got a hydro lift specifically for usage with a two-stage snowblower that I bought back. He now has no usage for a hydro lift. It needs a cylinder rebuild and two hoses minimum. In the coming months. We have all the parts for a manual lift already. I'm just wondering if it's feasible. This guy does not need a hydro lift anymore. The switch is not trivial. The hardest part is probably the rock shaft swap (assuming you still want a lifting capability). Body tins, lift lever height limiter, etc. are needed. Removing the cylinder, control valve, etc. is straightforward. As for plumbing, you must re-route the charge pump output that is now going to the lift control valve to plumb it directly to the filter input (the one on the transaxle). With proper fittings and protection, a simple hydraulic hose would be fine as there will be very low pressure (< 50 psi is my guess) in that circuit because it is no longer being called on to lift something heavy (when the pressure can go up to 700 psi)! That flow of fluid is essential to the proper operation of the hydro pump/motor for motion. It may be possible to simply join the remaining hoses (using a coupler) that go to and from the control valve after the valve and the cylinder (with its hoses) have been removed! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,598 #5 Posted July 5 1 hour ago, ebinmaine said: Was there ever an Eaton 1100 equipped tractor with manual lift? I've never seen one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,932 #6 Posted July 5 You would be better off changing the hoses and rebuilding the lift cylinder. Getting the rock shaft apart is going to be nearly impossible. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,205 #7 Posted July 5 6 minutes ago, Bill D said: You would be better off changing the hoses and rebuilding the lift cylinder. Getting the rock shaft apart is going to be nearly impossible. Can you elaborate on that? Is it for rust corrosion reasons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,932 #8 Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Can you elaborate on that? Is it for rust corrosion reasons? Yes, Wheel Horse never applied anti seize to the rock shaft during assembly. They are often rusted together, especially if the the tractor has sat outside. They almost never come apart easily. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,291 #9 Posted July 5 If you got a junker laying around with the rockshaft you could try the heat / quench trick. I've done it twice now on a muffler and a set screw and been amazed how the parts have come apart. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymag3 2,521 #10 Posted July 6 (edited) On 7/5/2024 at 11:03 AM, Bill D said: Yes, Wheel Horse never applied anti seize to the rock shaft during assembly. They are often rusted together, especially if the the tractor has sat outside. They almost never come apart easily. I have a Rockshaft thats OEM new if interested............... John Edited July 6 by johnnymag3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,436 #11 Posted July 8 On 7/6/2024 at 11:10 AM, johnnymag3 said: I have a Rockshaft thats OEM new if interested............... Getting one IN isn’t the difficulty... Getting one OUT, well, I remember only one member who did it easily. As @Bill D noted, WH probably never expected those parts to be disassembled. Off the 518-H, I wanted to salvage/repurpose the 1” shaft and the sleeve with the arms. To get them I cut through the frame tunnels to liberate the assembly and then broke the sleeve free on a heavy press, with difficulty, after treating with penetrant and MAPP-level heat on and off for a month. I still have the lift lever but repurposed the shaft and sleeve and I sold the height limiter at the BS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cleat 6,313 #12 Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Handy Don said: Getting one IN isn’t the difficulty... Getting one OUT, well, I remember only one member who did it easily. As @Bill D noted, WH probably never expected those parts to be disassembled. And yet in the parts manual they tell you to apply "Anti-rust compound" Go figure... Lift bellcrank.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
