KT 17 condenser????

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

I need help locating KT 17, Series 2 new replacement condenser # 52-755-13-S --- for a ( engine spec 24323 ) on my C-175 model # 11-17KE01 --- the Kohler home page shows N/A, not available - I went to my local Toro WH "dealer"  and he has none in stock, nor can he get an order  -- I have also checked about a dozen other online tractor sites I use regularly with no success. I am told that NAPA may have them so I still have to check them. I tried Auto Zone with no success - they do not have a cross reference WH database. If no one has the WH OEM condenser any longer how is a "replacement " equivilant determined ? The condenser off the C-175 KT 17 has no number or identifier? Are condensers rated or have a specific spec -- how to know to buy a match? Advanced Auto says they have one from a Ford but how would i know thats a correct match? Any suggestions? Thanks

[953 nut 57,861]

 

The Kohler 230722 Condenser fits all battery ignition single cylinder and twin cylinder from the K-90 to the K-582.  The 235786 condensers are for the magneto equipped Kohler engines only K-161 to K-301

The unit of measure for a condenser is the Farad. Many electronic components like radios and TVs use capacitors that are in the microfarad range (ten to the minus six power Farads) and our small engines use a condenser that is in the nanofarad range (ten to the minus ninth power Farads) which is based on the voltage range they work in. A magneto ignition system uses a 100 to 250 nF condenser and a battery ignition system uses a 200 to 500 nF condenser. A good multi-meter will have a capacitor testing function.

Armed with this information you can walk into your auto parts store and get a very confused look on the face of the person on the other side of the counter. The capacitance is not listed on the package and probably not in any of the on-line data they have for the condensers they stock. You just have to go by the application chart and be sure that the condenser you are buying is for the type ignition system your engine has, not just the horsepower or engine size.

[953 nut 57,861]

Kohler part number at NAPA is 7-01338 if that helps, probably be able to find one on if all else fails.

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

20 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

 

The Kohler 230722 Condenser fits all battery ignition single cylinder and twin cylinder from the K-90 to the K-582.  The 235786 condensers are for the magneto equipped Kohler engines only K-161 to K-301

The unit of measure for a condenser is the Farad. Many electronic components like radios and TVs use capacitors that are in the microfarad range (ten to the minus six power Farads) and our small engines use a condenser that is in the nanofarad range (ten to the minus ninth power Farads) which is based on the voltage range they work in. A magneto ignition system uses a 100 to 250 nF condenser and a battery ignition system uses a 200 to 500 nF condenser. A good multi-meter will have a capacitor testing function.

Armed with this information you can walk into your auto parts store and get a very confused look on the face of the person on the other side of the counter. The capacitance is not listed on the package and probably not in any of the on-line data they have for the condensers they stock. You just have to go by the application chart and be sure that the condenser you are buying is for the type ignition system your engine has, not just the horsepower or engine size.

 

i learned a ton of skills from my Dad -- plumbing, house electrical, carpentry, mechanical type skills but never paid much attention when he was repairing a radio, toaster, electric motor, etc -- or a doing electical items on the car - - plus he had lots of knowledge from some career work at IBM and elsewhere -- i wish i understood half what you said here - - but i am always  trying to learn - your info certainly helped -- but not sure how much i will retain -- i'll have to book mark your writings --thanks for taking the time to share !!! Bill

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

5 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Kohler part number at NAPA is 7-01338 if that helps, probably be able to find one on if all else fails.

so number at NAPA  7-01338 is same as the Kohler and completely compatible?

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

just searched my local NAPA -- they have that number in stock for $12 

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

953 Nut ---- is the condenser # 52-755-13 listed for the KT 17 the "same" condenser as 230722 that fits all the Kohler engines you mention?

What does the letter "S " mean after the numeric? thanks

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

 

The Kohler 230722 Condenser fits all battery ignition single cylinder and twin cylinder from the K-90 to the K-582.  The 235786 condensers are for the magneto equipped Kohler engines only K-161 to K-301

The unit of measure for a condenser is the Farad. Many electronic components like radios and TVs use capacitors that are in the microfarad range (ten to the minus six power Farads) and our small engines use a condenser that is in the nanofarad range (ten to the minus ninth power Farads) which is based on the voltage range they work in. A magneto ignition system uses a 100 to 250 nF condenser and a battery ignition system uses a 200 to 500 nF condenser. A good multi-meter will have a capacitor testing function.

Armed with this information you can walk into your auto parts store and get a very confused look on the face of the person on the other side of the counter. The capacitance is not listed on the package and probably not in any of the on-line data they have for the condensers they stock. You just have to go by the application chart and be sure that the condenser you are buying is for the type ignition system your engine has, not just the horsepower or engine size.

sorta a curiosity question  - if the condenser # 230722 is same as, or interchangable with, 52-755-13-s  is same condenser i wonder why kohler lists the 52-755-13s as no longer available instead of showing 230722 as "replacement" Seems weird for Kohler to do that?

[Achto 28,764]

18 hours ago, 953 nut said:

be sure that the condenser you are buying is for the type ignition system your engine has, not just the horsepower or engine size.

 

I walked into an Orielly's looking for a condenser for a Kohler and got a confused look. "OK" I said "How about a condenser for a 1964 Impala w/ an inline 6cyl engine".  Had to make it so that they had something they could look up. 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Achto

[953 nut 57,861]

5 hours ago, Achto said:

 

I walked into an Orielly's looking for a condenser for a Kohler and got a confused look. "OK" I said "How about a condenser for a 1964 Impala w/ an inline 6cyl engine".  Had to make it so that they had something they could look up. 

Did you have to tell them if it was a two door or a four door?        Standard shift or automatic or standard transmission?   What color?   got to fill in all the boxes!

22 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

sorta a curiosity question  - if the condenser # 230722 is same as, or interchangable with, 52-755-13-s  is same condenser i wonder why kohler lists the 52-755-13s as no longer available instead of showing 230722 as "replacement" Seems weird for Kohler to do that?

I have no idea what the "S" stands for. Kohler changed their numbering system at some point and didn't seem to care about making an interchange list, A few years back I picked up a bunch of NOS Kohler parts and was selling them on Ebay. Some had the old numbers and some had the new so I had to do a bit of investigation before I could list them for sale.           

[Achto 28,764]

38 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Did you have to tell them if it was a two door or a four door?        Standard shift or automatic or standard transmission?   What color?   got to fill in all the boxes!

 

[J854D 137]

@Brockport Bill, @953 nut, the “S” after the Kohler part number indicates a skin pack/display package. Which I think makes up the majority of Kohler replacement parts. The main number without the “S” should work just fine in interchanges. -JD-

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

13 minutes ago, J854D said:

@Brockport Bill, @953 nut, the “S” after the Kohler part number indicates a skin pack/display package. Which I think makes up the majority of Kohler replacement parts. The main number without the “S” should work just fine in interchanges. -JD-

thanks  -- but forgive me  -- what's a skin pack/display package - - is that the way its packaged enclosed, or does that mean other items are included for a kit with multiple items? I see on the WH or Kohler manual parts diagram lists they often include multiple related items - such as an example - a condenser may also include points breaker with the condenser - and some times they will use a different parts number other than the "S"?  thanks - - i am still learning!!!!!!!!!

[J854D 137]

@Brockport Bill, The skin pack is just a plastic bag that contains the part. Usually you can see through it on the back side of the bag. The front side of the bag will have the Kohler label on it. A display package will have a plastic see through bubble attached to a thin cardboard backing with a hang tab on it to display the part inside of it. In both cases the part number will have an “S” included. -JD-

[953 nut 57,861]

Most of the NOS parts I had were in individual boxes but some of them had the plastic bags, never knew the "S" was because of the bag.   

[J854D 137]

@Brockport Bill, @953 nut, I need to amend myself on my previous posts. After doing some online research on Kohler engine parts, I discovered that the “S” in the Kohler part number means “service part”. I worked at a parts store/machine shop where we sold genuine Kohler engine parts. Over the years as Kohler transitioned from boxed parts to bagged parts, I noticed the “S” appearing in the part numbers on the skin & display packed parts and thought that was the reason for the “S”. It made sense to me at the time as I was noticing the trend. The “S” for service part makes sense too. I apologize for my misinformation. -JD-

Edited December 29, 2023 by J854D

[953 nut 57,861]

9 hours ago, J854D said:

. I apologize for my misinformation.

               If you hadn't come back to tell us we wouldn't have ever known.

[Rolling Thunder 0]

Brockport Bill - I have the 230722-S condenser in the unopened Kohler Genuine Parts bag.

 

PM me if you want it, and I can ship it out to you this week.

[Brockport Bill 1,824]

6 hours ago, Rolling Thunder said:

Brockport Bill - I have the 230722-S condenser in the unopened Kohler Genuine Parts bag.

 

PM me if you want it, and I can ship it out to you this week.

thanks for offer -  I just picked up 2 yesterday of the "interchange" cross referenced from NAPA....... What is price of your OEM item -- shipping to 12569. Maybe i should get one for a spare??

[Rolling Thunder 0]

- See PM please

[Rolling Thunder 0]

FYI, went scrounging thru my WH parts bins, and found that I also have the Kohler 52 755 13-S condenser, in an unopened Kohler bag. This condenser has three wires and two wire terminals, versus one wire with one wire terminal on the 230722-S condenser.

 

My 417's with the KT17QS, series II, spec 24340 have the single wire, single terminal condenser.

 

If you need the 52 755 13 condenser, same deal as discussed in PM. Can email a pic if needed.