It’s a sad day

[SylvanLakeWH 25,535]

Just a thought: The auto stop / start feature me thinks was proposed by the companies that manufacture starters... This feature exponentially increases the number of starts per car per trip from one to ???? and no doubt will result in the need for replacement starter's years earlier...

 

 

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

55 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

glad to know it still uses gallons.

I researched the EVs..  Stripping 1,000,000 lbs of earth to get the 70 lbs of lithium required to make one battery for my EV  didn't sound like something I should do.

I'll pay the price for the gasoline and do my part to save the planet.

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

31 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Just a thought: The auto stop / start feature me thinks was proposed by the companies that manufacture starters... This feature exponentially increases the number of starts per car per trip from one to ???? and no doubt will result in the need for replacement starter's years earlier...

 

 

Starters and batteries Jim.    Mine would stop/start 5-6 times when I go the 5 mile to the grocery store.  Exactly why I turn mine off, just wish I could make off the default.     

[Handy Don 12,214]

2 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

Another default I would like to change

That one might be buried deep in the settings menus for you to change. Ideally it'd stick at whatever it was at when the car was shut down. Earlier versions of my car had those choices but mine got only “Comfort” and “AWD”. 45 mpg is quite lovely!

[ebinmaine 67,435]

1 hour ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Just a thought: The auto stop / start feature me thinks was proposed by the companies that manufacture starters... This feature exponentially increases the number of starts per car per trip from one to ???? and no doubt will result in the need for replacement starter's years earlier...

 

 

 

It's part of the Emissions system.  

 

Parts Per Million is still the same but the manufacturers have "eliminated" a certain percentage of emissions by shutting off the engine.  

 

 

 

Ed and Don. 

You can't turn off the Auto Shutoff permanently because it's part of the Emissions system and modifying that is against regulations. 

 

I can touch a button every time I start the car to temporarily eliminate the "feature".  

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

1 minute ago, Handy Don said:

Ideally it'd stick at whatever it was at when the car was shut down

That would be way too logical.

[Handy Don 12,214]

2 hours ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Just a thought: The auto stop / start feature me thinks was proposed by the companies that manufacture starters... This feature exponentially increases the number of starts per car per trip from one to ???? and no doubt will result in the need for replacement starter's years earlier...

It's more complicated. Many of these “starters", mine included, also provide a boost of several HP on hard acceleration (think “on” ramps or passing on a two-lane) and some also supply regenerative power for battery charging when “braking”. These are often referred to as “mild hybrids”.

The software to manage all these bits gets pretty interesting

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

6 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

I can touch a button every time I start the car to temporarily eliminate the "feature".

Same here and I do turn it off.     I may try to fix that button with a toothpick.

[SylvanLakeWH 25,535]

25 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

It's part of the Emissions system.  

 

Parts Per Million is still the same but the manufacturers have "eliminated" a certain percentage of emissions by shutting off the engine.  

 

 

23 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

It's more complicated. Many of these “starters", mine included, also provide a boost of several HP on hard acceleration (think “on” ramps or passing on a two-lane) and some also supply regenerative power for battery charging when “braking”. These are often referred to as “mild hybrids”.

The software to manage all these bits gets pretty interesting

 

Oh I get it... don't agree that the air quality and fuel efficiency data is inclusive of the full picture. Starting engines stopping engines extensive added hardware and software are not included in the "savings"... just like the incredible actual and environmental cost of getting lithium for batteries is never included in the stats for how green things are...

 

Lifecycle costs matter.

[WHX?? 48,815]

2 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

and do my part to save the planet.

They didn't save  us no buffalo!

 

What vehicles are you guys talking about Ed/Don? 

Sounds like Cindy's '22 Prius? 

[953 nut 55,194]

4 hours ago, Pullstart said:

Electric car went up and let out all the magic smoke

Car dealers who have a bunch of EVs in stock that no one wants to buy may have to start having fire sales too.

[WHX?? 48,815]

1 minute ago, 953 nut said:

start having fire sales too.

The batteries blowing up ? 

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

13 hours ago, WHX?? said:

 

What vehicles are you guys talking about Ed

Mine is an'23 Ford.   

 

Sorry that is what popped up when I goggled for a picture of a '23 Ford.

 

This is actually the '23 Ford that Mrs.K bought.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Ed Kennell

[ML3 1,197]

15 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

Starters and batteries Jim.    Mine would stop/start 5-6 times when I go the 5 mile to the grocery store.  Exactly why I turn mine off, just wish I could make off the default.     

My Cadillac has a console switch to turn off start/stop. I ended up finding a bypass harness for $50 that permanently keeps it turned off. 

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

44 minutes ago, ML3 said:

My Cadillac has a console switch to turn off start/stop. I ended up finding a bypass harness for $50 that permanently keeps it turned off. 

Just read an article that the auto stop/start feature can be disabled be simply opening the hood, starting the engine, then close the hood.     Anyone try it?

 

[Pullstart 62,837]

2 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

Just read an article that the auto stop/start feature can be disabled be simply opening the hood, starting the engine, CLEARING THE HUNDRED ALERTS AND CODES RELATED TO THE HOOD OPEN AND ENGINE RUNNING, then close the hood.     Anyone try it?

 

 

[WHX?? 48,815]

I dunno Ed I bet Mrs K would look good running the vintage Ford! Get her the period dress and head wear. 

[ebinmaine 67,435]

11 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

I dunno Ed I bet Mrs K would look good running the vintage Ford! Get her the period dress and head wear. 

 

Problem solved 

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

 

9 hours ago, WHX?? said:

I dunno Ed I bet Mrs K would look good running the vintage Ford! Get her the period dress and head wear. 

 

 

           circa 1960 photo of me courting the future Mrs K. in my first car...1930 Dodge Brothers 6.     Sorry for the grainy pic,  but she did look good.   Mrs. K wasn't bad either.

                                       

Edited December 2, 2023 by Ed Kennell

[8ntruck 6,998]

Our '19 Cheorkeehas the auto shut off feature.  For me, part of the start up procedures is pushing the disable button before putting it in gear. 

 

Had a battery go bad in that vehicle.  Would cause the engine to shut off randomly.  When that happened while driving, the safety systems would not allow you to shift into neutral and crank the engine while coasting down the road.  Had to pull off the road and come to a complete stop before being allowed to restart the engine.

 

I happened across a post in a Cherokee forum that said there is a setting that adjusts the stop time before the engine shouts down.  Max setting of something like 45 seconds.  I have not bothered to dig around to find that setting.  Pushing the off button is now an established part of operating that vehicle.

[Ed Kennell 38,146]

35 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

I have not bothered to dig around to find that setting.

Have you tried the open hood, start engine, close hood trick?   Some say it works.

[Handy Don 12,214]

18 hours ago, WHX?? said:

What vehicles are you guys talking about Ed/Don? 

Sounds like Cindy's '22 Prius? 

2022 Volvo V90 Cross Country (bought as certified pre-owned)

[peter lena 8,610]

@Pullstart  @Ed Kennell always had a rotary dial phone , for the kids growing up ,  loved playing with it ! regularly had a conversation going on , and we would encourage that . also always had them involved in a family gathering clean up , so they knew how things happened . elders loved seeing them , assist at meals / gatherings . it just does not happen , pete 

[Mickwhitt 4,620]

I remember when the only phone in our village was in a red cast iron Box at the end of our street, 2 pence for a local call, 10 pence for longer distance. 

We got the first home phone on our street. It was two tone green (avocado was the proper description,  which must have been popular in the 1970's as everyone had a bathroom suite in it). It was a dial type phone with a reassuring buzz when you picked up the receiver.  The ringer was a plain bell and it would wake the dead lol.

It sat on its very own telephone table in the best room and I remember a money box at the side of it. Neighbours would call round to use the phone and pay for their call by leaving money in the box. 

Kids these days have no concept of how a dial phone works, and if they did they'd be so impatient at how long it takes to dial a number (remember in those days all our local numbers were six digits long. Before that they were even shorter, Scotland Yard was Whitehall 1212 and the veterinary practice in All creatures great and small was Darraby 385).

We still have a landline to the house but no phone, it's purely for broadband.  

But Mr Musk will probably do for that with his Star link malarkey. I watched them trundle across the sky a few weeks back and thought what a shame it was that we are even ruining the sky for our increased convenience.  

 

[WHX?? 48,815]

And hear I thought it was bizarre when @Achto says the brakes are controlled thru the radio in his wife's jeep. According to him the parking brakes are auto applied any time a door is open. Fun for a tech looking out a open door to get it squared on a lift. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by WHX??