Let’s talk TIRES

[Wheelhorse#1 1,761]

I picked up these old original Carlisle,in great shape at the big show cheap  18x6.50-8 for my 74 12 auto in hopes I could fit them on .

No way they will work.

This is my snow plow machine and was trying to go a little wider on front.

Looks like I’m pretty much stuck with the original size without going to a wider rim is that correct? 
 

 

[RED-Z06 2,473]

Just now, Wheelhorse#1 said:

I picked up these old original Carlisle,in great shape at the big show cheap  18x6.50-8 for my 74 12 auto in hopes I could fit them on .

No way they will work.

This is my snow plow machine and was trying to go a little wider on front.

Looks like I’m pretty much stuck with the original size without going to a wider rim is that correct? 
 

 

I put some 16-7.50-8 on my C100, it had narrow tires stock, that size fit great 

[Wheelhorse#1 1,761]

15 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said:

I put some 16-7.50-8 on my C100, it had narrow tires stock, that size fit great 

Ok great Thanks @RED-Z06 for the info.

[ebinmaine 70,494]

On 10/22/2023 at 10:49 AM, Sparky said:

These are Carlisle All-Trails.  

 

 
  Excellent traction!

 

@Sparky

 

What's the best/worst traction test you've ever had with these?

Slick mud? Slippery forest floor? Deep sand? 

 

[Dmjr88 2]

Recently aquired a 1989 414-8 and i am looking into getting some tires with tread more suited to slippery snow and pavement. Does anyone have any suggetions? Or would it be better to just stick with some new turf savers and chains?

[ebinmaine 70,494]

38 minutes ago, Dmjr88 said:

Recently aquired a 1989 414-8 and i am looking into getting some tires with tread more suited to slippery snow and pavement. Does anyone have any suggetions? Or would it be better to just stick with some new turf savers and chains?  

 

 

 

Down there on the south coast of Mass I'd figure you get a fair amount of muck that's acting like snow. 

 

IMHO there's nothing better than turfs and chains for that. 

If you have a nice asphalt drive you care about maybe hunt up some rubber chains. 

 

No real need for new tires either. ...unless yours are cracked beyond safe usage. 

[Dmjr88 2]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

 

Down there on the south coast of Mass I'd figure you get a fair amount of muck that's acting like snow. 

 

IMHO there's nothing better than turfs and chains for that. 

If you have a nice asphalt drive you care about maybe hunt up some rubber chains. 

 

No real need for new tires either. ...unless yours are cracked beyond safe usage. 

Thanks for the info! And unfortunately (but fortunately lol) the right rear has a pretty serious crack and leak in it so im currently on the hunt for some new rears at the very least.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Dmjr88
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[ebinmaine 70,494]

1 hour ago, Dmjr88 said:

Thanks for the info! And unfortunately (but fortunately lol) the right rear has a pretty serious crack and leak in it so im currently on the hunt for some new rears at the very least.

 

They're available all over the interwebs. 

I've used simpletire.com with decent success. Wally world as well.  

 

You may very well be able to find a good used set too.  

[adsm08 2,595]

Tires are best when round.

[sjoemie himself 3,072]

7 hours ago, adsm08 said:

Tires are best when round.

 

Depends on the terrain 

 

[Bar Nuthin 932]

Been shopping for tires for my C-120 when these showed up in an online auction.  Not sure what the deal is with the 3rd tire on the bottom - tread looks a bit different.

 

Wheels are a bonus, as mine are beat up on the inside flange and require tubes.

 

Scored these for $12.50!!!  May have helped me sneak in under the radar since the auction title read "Sears Tires and Wheels - 32x10x12".

 

    

 

 

 

I think the cords are shot in my old Carlisle tires and significant cracking.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Bar Nuthin

[8ntruck 7,368]

 What pressure are you running in those tires?  10 to 12 psi is all you need.

 

My Carlsiles have looked like that when I've been lazy and added air without bothering to check the pressure.

 

On the general subject of tires on this thread, I'm kind of shopping for a set of diamond tread turf tires for my C-195.  27-9.50x15 is the stock tire size.  Anybody got ideas for a source?

[ebinmaine 70,494]

7 hours ago, 8ntruck said:

 What pressure are you running in those tires?  10 to 12 psi is all you need.

 

My Carlsiles have looked like that when I've been lazy and added air without bothering to check the pressure.

 

 

There's a set of Carlisles on the Workhorse GT1800 we built for our friends.  

They have 8 to 10 GUAGE CHECKED lbs in them.  

Same look.....

 

 

 

[kpinnc 13,622]

I’ve had several members ask me about my rear tires on the 523-H, and I’ve never been able to find them after I bought mine. 
 

While these are not the same brand as mine, the tread is nearly identical. Mine are 25x11-12, and these are available at 26x12-12. Mine also have no brand on them to speak of. They supposedly were “SunF”, but that’s it. 
 

Fair warning, these are not cheap!

 

[Tonytoro416 1,095]

If you get on sunf website. They have several atv tires that are very similar to these tires. 

[Brockport Bill 1,821]

On 10/24/2023 at 1:28 PM, kpinnc said:

 

These tires are 18x9.50-8. The rims are an inch wider than standard "wide" front wheels. 

 

what engine re-power mfg is that? How much hp - where did you get it -- about what do they cost? thanks

[RED-Z06 2,473]

4 minutes ago, Brockport Bill said:

what engine re-power mfg is that? How much hp - where did you get it -- about what do they cost? thanks

Its Briggs Vanguard Twin

[Brockport Bill 1,821]

10 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said:

Its Briggs Vanguard Twin

where are those purchased - whats their hp? Do you know approx cost? Would they be compatible to fit in C175 hood and pto alignment? thanks

[RED-Z06 2,473]

33 minutes ago, Brockport Bill said:

where are those purchased - whats their hp? Do you know approx cost? Would they be compatible to fit in C175 hood and pto alignment? thanks

16-23hp, as for a direct bolt on, nothing usually bolts on without fabrication, either moving the engine up, left, right, mounting an exhaust, mounting the pto...theres usually a bit of customizing, and you have to make sure it has the right crank dimensions.  Prices start around 1500 on up over 2000 for a new one, used motors are all over.

[kpinnc 13,622]

5 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

where are those purchased - whats their hp? Do you know approx cost? Would they be compatible to fit in C175 hood and pto alignment? thanks

It was a 23hp Vanguard engine. If a Kohler twin would fit under the hood, the V twin most definitely will. They are very compact. I have 6 of these engines, mostly 14hp. They are very smooth and torquey. The 23hp will run circles around an Onan P220, while being far more fuel efficient. 
 

If used on a Wheel Horse, you have to raise the engine about an inch to align the PTO. The bolt pattern is also different, so I usually just fab an adapter. 
 

I actually built mine. New block, rings and crank, took everything else from a vertical engine. All of the scavenged parts were in spec. I probably spent $400 on the components, but got the block from a dealer who only had a couple left so they sold very cheap. New that engine costs between $1300 to $1800, depending on intake type and whether fuel injected or not. They are available from several different vendors. 
 

The14-23hp horizontal engines are great because they still come with a ball bearing on the PTO side. The verticals do not, nor do any of the large block models with higher horsepower. 
 

The one in the pic below is a 14hp. This engine performed better with a 48 inch deck than my 518-H. And I mean by a lot. These are very powerful engines, and my 14hp sounds like a Harley. 
 

And just to clarify, I really like Onan engines. That being said, these Vanguards are smooth and powerful, and much less complex. I am definitely a fan! 
 

Edited December 8, 2024 by kpinnc

[RED-Z06 2,473]

5 hours ago, kpinnc said:

It was a 23hp Vanguard engine. If a Kohler twin would fit under the hood, the V twin most definitely will. They are very compact. I have 6 of these engines, mostly 14hp. They are very smooth and torquey. The 23hp will run circles around an Onan P220, while being far more fuel efficient. 
 

If used on a Wheel Horse, you have to raise the engine about an inch to align the PTO. The bolt pattern is also different, so I usually just fab an adapter. 
 

I actually built mine. New block, rings and crank, took everything else from a vertical engine. All of the scavenged parts were in spec. I probably spent $400 on the components, but got the block from a dealer who only had a couple left so they sold very cheap. New that engine costs between $1300 to $1800, depending on intake type and whether fuel injected or not. They are available from several different vendors. 
 

The14-23hp horizontal engines are great because they still come with a ball bearing on the PTO side. The verticals do not, nor do any of the large block models with higher horsepower. 
 

The one in the pic below is a 14hp. This engine performed better with a 48 inch deck than my 518-H. And I mean by a lot. These are very powerful engines, and my 14hp sounds like a Harley. 
 

And just to clarify, I really like Onan engines. That being said, these Vanguards are smooth and powerful, and much less complex. I am definitely a fan! 
 

I never understood the 14hp offering, i think ive sold 1, vs hundreds of 16-23s.  The 14 and 16 were basically the same engine, block; crank, heads, carb, intake..i believe there was a marginal change in rod length and compression height, it was like..29ci vs 30ci.  Had a customer with a big vent fan, he put a 14hp Vanguard on it, but it only ran up to 3000 rpms, he bought a 16hp from me, and it only ran up to 3000 rpm, I swapped him out to an 18hp, and it got up to governed speed.  Great engines, used to put rings in around 3000, 3500 hours and send them back into service.

[photoguy 160]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:50 AM, Streetrodchev said:

I have two sets on tractors, and a third set to mount and put on another. 
No complaints from me or from any friends with them. 

They steer good and look awesome but mine seem to be wearing fast.

 

[Streetrodchev 845]

2 hours ago, photoguy said:

They steer good and look awesome but mine seem to be wearing fast.

 

My oldest set are about 10 years old and do show some wear, but I attribute that to turning around on the pavement when mowing. 

[Lee1977 7,020]

Bought these tires Jan. 2023. Tires by TG Guider 25x10x12 6ply Lancer on 8 1/2" rims measure 24 1/8" tall and 9 1/2" wide. The fronts are SUNF 19x7x8 6 ply on 5 1/2' rims measure 17 1/2" tall and 6 1/2" wide. 

The Lancers I bought on close out cheap. SUNF and Wanda has a similar tire and a couple of no name tires.  The 8 1/2" have a back set of 3 1/4" and almost rub the filter on my 520-H, but work great on the Raider.

   

 

 

Edited December 15, 2024 by Lee1977

[RED-Z06 2,473]

9 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

Bought these tires Jan. 1923. Tires by TG Guider 25x10x12 6ply Lancer on 8 1/2" rims measure 24 1/8" tall and 9 1/2" wide. The fronts are SUNF 19x7x8 6 ply on 5 1/2' rims measure 17 1/2" tall and 6 1/2" wide. 

The Lancers I bought on close out cheap. SUNF and Wanda has a similar tire and a couple of no name tires.  The 8 1/2" have a back set of 3 1/4" and almost rub the filter on my 520-H, but work great on the Raider.

   

 

 

Clean tires for a century old, my 1962 tires fell apart last january