OoPEZoO 521 #26 Posted April 19 I bought my replacement off of amazon, from DB Electrical for like $70. Bolted right on and fit like the OEM. Unfortunately, I can't help with getting yours off, as I've never messed with a Magnum motor. My tractor is a mid 80's 314-8 with a K321 in it, so my fit up is a little easier. Just 2 bolts, the wires, and no messing with the dipstick tube. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,135 #27 Posted April 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, brewster said: My grass is greening and my starter still needs work. So, I’m back at it. How do I remove the starter? And, how do I remove the oil fill tube? Thanks for all advice! First disconnect the positive+ cable from the battery. Then disconnect the same cable from the starter. Clean both lug ends with a stiff wire brush. Remove the oil dip stick. Remove the two bolts at the bottom of the fill tube. Cut a 6" long piece of large rubber hose and slit it to fit around the fill pipe to act as insulation with the starter lug. Loosen the two bolts at the rear of the starter. They are long enough to fit entirely thru the starter body holding it together and also bolting it to the engine block. After the starter is free from the block, I usually pull it back enough to put a nut on the two bolts to hold the starter together during assembly and disassembly to prevent it from falling apart. If you allow it to fall apart, there is some tricks required to reassemble the brushes. Don't allow it to fall apart. Edited April 19 by Ed Kennell 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,916 #28 Posted April 26 On 10/21/2023 at 9:01 PM, Horse Newbie said: No ! Rebuild the OE… I bought an aftermarket for a Cub … regret it … What engine is in your cub? I may have a starter if you need one? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Newbie 7,069 #29 Posted April 28 On 4/25/2024 at 8:31 PM, Bill D said: What engine is in your cub? I may have a starter if you need one? Let me check @Bill D , My Cub is cranking with Taryl’s “add a solenoid” trick, but I would like to get my hands on an OEM starter if I could. I will get back to you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,422 #30 Posted April 28 6 hours ago, Horse Newbie said: Taryl’s “add a solenoid” trick, What's this ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Newbie 7,069 #31 Posted April 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, ebinmaine said: What's this ? @ebinmaine Eric, Let me know what you think… Edited April 28 by Horse Newbie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,422 #32 Posted April 28 6 hours ago, Horse Newbie said: @ebinmaine Eric, Let me know what you think… Heckuva trick there... I don't see WHY it works.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 455 #33 Posted April 28 It works because it bypassed the built in solenoid on the starter. Genius! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,213 #34 Posted April 28 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Wayne0 said: It works because it bypassed the built in solenoid on the starter. Genius! It doesn’t bypass the original solenoid--the two solenoids are now in series. If he bypassed the original, he would NOT need that jumper across its two terminals. I’ve done this on one vertical Kohler and my suspicion is that the actuator in the original solenoid requires a good amount of current to work correctly. Any bad wiring fails it. I proved this to my satisfaction by direct jumping it to battery. plus. What Taryl has done (cleverly, for sure!) is use a new, less demanding solenoid to deliver battery voltage simultaneously to both the solenoid actuator connection (the small orange wire) and the starter motor input connection (the big red wire). Lots of strong juice and a good crank and start. Edited April 28 by Handy Don 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Newbie 7,069 #35 Posted April 28 On 4/25/2024 at 8:31 PM, Bill D said: What engine is in your cub? I may have a starter if you need one? 20 hours ago, Horse Newbie said: Let me check @Bill D , My Cub is cranking with Taryl’s “add a solenoid” trick, but I would like to get my hands on an OEM starter if I could. I will get back to you. @Bill D , Here are a few pics of the Cub engine. I could not see any identifying marks on the starter… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,916 #36 Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Horse Newbie said: @Bill D , Here are a few pics of the Cub engine. I could not see any identifying marks on the starter… Totally different engine. The starter I have is off a Kawasaki FH430V. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adsm08 2,046 #37 Posted April 29 On 10/22/2023 at 11:07 AM, 953 nut said: Have you used jumper cables from a known good battery directly to the engine block and the terminal shown in the photo? I see some discoloration on the oil fill tube and wonder if the cable connection may be bad causing heat at that point resulting in a voltage drop. And don't forget that just because a starter works on the bench does not mean it's strong enough to overcome engine compression. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,213 #38 Posted April 29 I’m fairly sure that a feature of this style of starter is that the solenoid has two functions: 1) it closes the circuit from the battery to the starter motor, and 2) it pulls the pinion gear on the starter motor shaft into engagement with the ring gear on the flywheel. That extra function is what, I suspect, causes it to need a strong current to work properly. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
