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[ebinmaine 67,415]

11 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

In other news.....

I'll be wiring tomorrow.  

I'll post pics when I can but I have questions.  

Non stock system so I can't just follow a schematic diagram.   

 

 

 

Here's a picture of the back of the switch. 

 

 

 

 

 

I know we touched on this earlier but I'm still confused as to what G and M terminals should be connected to.

 

[Horse Newbie 7,067]

2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

6 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Do you need a picture of that piece ?

 

 

If I could get a picture or measurements or both that would be awesome. I'm hoping I can make something out of strap steel and a bolt maybe?

 

I am traveling for Thanksgiving now. I will get those pics with measurements ASAP …

[Horse Newbie 7,067]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

I know we touched on this earlier but I'm still confused as to what G and M terminals should be connected to

 Maybe G = ground, M = magneto…

Wild guess….

[ebinmaine 67,415]

5 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

 Maybe G = ground, M = magneto…

Wild guess….

 My thoughts exactly ...

But I don't remember the G being anywhere particular.   

 

[ebinmaine 67,415]

 

Trina and I were talking this over a few minutes ago about the wiring.

We believe that the RED wire coming out from behind the flywheel was connected to the ammeter which was in turn connected directly to the solenoid so it was direct battery connection all the time.

 

The switch has:

G. Ground   

M. Magneto

S.  Solenoid

B. Battery

L. Lights

 

We're pretty sure that B & L were NOT connected when we got the tractor.  

 

[Horse Newbie 7,067]

Just tossing this out there…

any chance “S” stands for start ?

But I guess not- that would probably be an “I” for Ignition , huh ?

[ebinmaine 67,415]

3 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Just tossing this out there…

any chance “S” stands for start ?

It kinda could.... Still would have the same connection.   

 

3 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

But I guess not- that would probably be an “I” for Ignition , huh ?

 

No "I"  on this one. 

Never was....

 

But I don't know if this switch is from the Wheelhorse or the crapsmann. 

[953 nut 55,182]

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Here's a picture of the back of the switch. 

 

 

 

 

 

I know we touched on this earlier but I'm still confused as to what G and M terminals should be connected to.

 

Do we know if this switch is in good condition?  Best bet would be to buy a new 103-991 switch and use the Operator Manual wiring diagram. That way if a problem popped up later you could go directly back to the diagram.  

 

[ebinmaine 67,415]

41 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Do we know if this switch is in good condition?  Best bet would be to buy a new 103-991 switch and use the Operator Manual wiring diagram. That way if a problem popped up later you could go directly back to the diagram

 

This was a running tractor when we got it. 

I may very well have a 103991 here though.  

 

[Moparfanforever 844]

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Trina and I were talking this over a few minutes ago about the wiring.

We believe that the RED wire coming out from behind the flywheel was connected to the ammeter which was in turn connected directly to the solenoid so it was direct battery connection all the time.

 

The switch has:

G. Ground   

M. Magneto

S.  Solenoid

B. Battery

L. Lights

 

We're pretty sure that B & L were NOT connected when we got the tractor.  

 

Ground wire goes to a small screw like stud with a blade that the kill wire slides onto. Grounds the Mag to shut off the tractor. If you need one ,I will try to get a picture. 

 

Magneto.. wire goes to the Magneto (coil)

 

Solenoid.. goes to the small post on the solenoid 

 

Battery.. goes to the positive battery cable on the solenoid 

 

Lights?? You sure the switch doesn't have ACC on it??

 

I forget how the charging wire and the Amp gauge is wired. I think I didn't put one on my GT1848. Battling a bad head cold at the moment and I don't remember. 

 

Don't really need a head cold for that, I have CRS most of the time!!

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,415]

25 minutes ago, Moparfanforever said:

Ground wire goes to a small screw like stud with a blade that the kill wire slides onto. Grounds the Mag to shut off the tractor. If you need one ,I will try to get a picture. 

 

Magneto.. wire goes to the Magneto (coil)

 

Solenoid.. goes to the small post on the solenoid 

Excellent. 

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Moparfanforever said:

 

Battery.. goes to the positive battery cable on the solenoid 

 

Lights?? You sure the switch doesn't have ACC on it??

 

Nope.  3 positions. 

 

Off. 

Run. 

Start.  

 

Likely I'll leave these two disconnected for now.  

 

 

25 minutes ago, Moparfanforever said:

 

I forget how the charging wire and the Amp gauge is wired. I think I didn't put one on my GT1848.

 

I'll be leaving the amp gauge OUT of this tractor.  

 

 

25 minutes ago, Moparfanforever said:

 

Battling a bad head cold at the moment and I don't remember. 

 

Feel better soon!!

 

 

25 minutes ago, Moparfanforever said:

 

Don't really need a head cold for that, I have CRS most of the time!!

 

 

 

Yyyeeeaaahhh. Me too man. Me too. 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,067]

2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Run

Isn’t  “ACC” on on RUN ?

[ebinmaine 67,415]

5 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Isn’t  “ACC” on on RUN ?

On this switch it would be, yes.  

 

[kpinnc 12,002]

4 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

But I don't remember the G being anywhere particular.   

 

The tab marked "G" is strapped to the case. That is always the ground. 

[Moparfanforever 844]

Hope you can make this out. The shiny part is a screw stud that has a wire blade style that the ground wire goes to. 

 

I wouldn't think you would necessarily have to use the stud for a ground, I would think any ground would work. 

 

I put an M8 on an older Charger and run the ground wire to a nut/bolt on the tractor and it works. 

[Moparfanforever 844]

When I say ACC,I mean on the back of the switch. 

[ebinmaine 67,415]

1 hour ago, Moparfanforever said:

Hope you can make this out. The shiny part is a screw stud that has a wire blade style that the ground wire goes to. 

 

I wouldn't think you would necessarily have to use the stud for a ground, I WOULD THINK ANY GROUND WOULD WORK. 

 

My thought too.  

 

This is perfect.  Thank you.  

 

 

[kpinnc 12,002]

13 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

This was a running tractor when we got it. 

I may very well have a 103991 here though. 

 

On an older switch at least, that ground strap is a dead giveaway to what type ignition it is intended for. The older coil ignition type won't have a ground. 

 

You guys are really moving on this resto! 

[ebinmaine 67,415]

3 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

On an older switch at least, that ground strap is a dead giveaway to what type ignition it is intended for. The older coil ignition type won't have a ground. 

 

Yepp.  

That's the reason I refuse to use (or recommend) aftermarket switches that aren't marked. 

I've seen a few.  IMHO an unmarked switch is absolute garbage.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

You guys are really moving on this resto! 

We're getting there!

Won't be as much progress as I was figuring today because we got more snow than forecast.  

Seat time on The Military Tribute Tractor "Millie"  for Trina!! Gotta get it set up first.  

[kpinnc 12,002]

11 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I've seen a few.  IMHO an unmarked switch is absolute garbage.  

 

Agreed. I've seen a few "new" switches that at least appear to work with either type ignition, and they will make you burn stuff up if you try to use the factory plug. 

[kpinnc 12,002]

13 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

we got more snow

 

Wow, already? All we got is rain, but that's normal here. 

 

Forgive the hijack. I'm just shocked you guys have snow this early.

[ebinmaine 67,415]

22 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Wow, already? All we got is rain, but that's normal here. 

 

Forgive the hijack. I'm just shocked you guys have snow this early.

 

Already??

Early???

 

Oh boy.  Oh boy.  Oh boy.  Oh boy.  Oh boy.  Oh boy.  Oh boy.  

 

Son we needs to talk.  

 

Today is November 22nd. 

This is near to THE LATEST day in the year we've had the first measurable snow (we've seen flurries several times).  

 

Our growing season is ended by the first frost usually in mid September.  

We normally get a measurable snow sometime in October. Occasionally late September.

  

The last 20 years things have been changing.  

Maine is the state that is warming the fastest of the lower 48. 

Our weather is not what it once was. 

But the winters are still pretty aggressive.   

 

[kpinnc 12,002]

4 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Son we needs to talk.  

 

Today is November 22nd. 

 

If and I do mean IF we get any significant snow, it's usually early spring stuff. I've had one white Christmas in my 53 years. A couple more near misses. 

 

Last year was pretty cold for us, with several single digit nights. Not unusual to have them, but last year we had quite a few by comparison. 

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,067]

1 hour ago, kpinnc said:

Last year was pretty cold for us, with several single digit nights

Climate change/ Global warming…😆

[ebinmaine 67,415]

Back on all fours. Engine turns over!! 

 

Needs minor finishing up and hood put on.  

Hopefully add gas and drive it around!!