Building an Off road Mower

[oliver2-44 9,729]

On 10/15/2023 at 12:58 PM, BairleaFarm said:

 

 

The tag is there.    I was able to clean it up enough to read.     The numbers show this to be a 1073 Raider 12 - 8 speed.

 

If that is a Raider 12 wouldn’t it have a limited slip 6 speed? 
 

[BairleaFarm 340]

9 hours ago, 8ntruck said:

How do the front and rear plugs compare after running?  I'd guess that the front one looks 'normal' and the rear onewill look different - which might give you a clue to what is going on.

 

Any parts interchangeably between that vertical shaft engine with your horizontal shaft engine?

 

Haven't investigated plus.  really nothing past the temp gun.  Several parts are interchangeable. 

[BairleaFarm 340]

7 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

If that is a Raider 12 wouldn’t it have a limited slip 6 speed? 
 

 

6 forward 2 reverse.    i call it a 8 speed.

[Handy Don 12,212]

4 hours ago, BairleaFarm said:

 

6 forward 2 reverse.    i call it a 8 speed.

I didn’t see any clear pics of the back of the transaxle but a strong hint of LSDs is an extended filler neck at the lower left side rear, instead of a simple plug.

[ebinmaine 67,420]

20 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

I didn’t see any clear pics of the back of the transaxle but a strong hint of LSDs is an extended filler neck at the lower left side rear, instead of a simple plug.

Many of the 6 speeds had round shift knobs too. 

 

But there were LSD 8 speeds and Autos in the early 70s.  

 

[BairleaFarm 340]

11 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Many of the 6 speeds had round shift knobs too. 

 

But there were LSD 8 speeds and Autos in the early 70s.  

 

 

32 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

I didn’t see any clear pics of the back of the transaxle but a strong hint of LSDs is an extended filler neck at the lower left side rear, instead of a simple plug.

 

This does have a filler neck with dipstick under the seat.

 

Arnt 6 speed and 8 speed the same thing with someone just not talking about the 2 reverses? 

[ebinmaine 67,420]

9 minutes ago, BairleaFarm said:

 

 

This does have a filler neck with dipstick under the seat.

 

 

Don is referring to the filler port at the far left rear down near the bottom of the transmission having a slight extension to it.

 

 

9 minutes ago, BairleaFarm said:

Arnt 6 speed and 8 speed the same thing with someone just not talking about the 2 reverses? 

 

6 and 8-speed transmissions BOTH have three forward and two reverses.

 

The difference lies in the location of the brake drum.

Also, I believe ALL 6-speed transmissions had Limited Slip Differential but only the extremely early 8-speeds did.

 

They have the same basic gearing but they are NOT the same when you are ordering some repair parts.

 

 

[Handy Don 12,212]

18 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

The difference lies in the location of the brake drum.

 

I don’t have handy a good image from the other angle. 

The arrow is pointing to the very small gap between the brake drum/band and the rear axle housing that normally is an indicator of an LSD differential. All but a very few 8-speeds have a larger gap--2+ inches--because the brake drum is on a different shaft out of the transaxle. 

This particular 6-speed is a 5060 that does not have a dipstick--another indicator.

[BairleaFarm 340]

Got to ride it.   Woo-hoo 

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,420]

Great to see it driving you around!

 

Was there a crunch noise when you shifted IN to reverse just before the she shed incident?

 

If so that NEEDS to be eliminated.  

Looked like you had the tractor stopped... 

Maybe the belt isn't quite stopping completely ceasing motion?

The belt guard guide looks really good.  Maybe needs a tad bit of adjustment??

 

Only guessing........... 

[ebinmaine 67,420]

Shift pattern as seated. 

 

3 ---  2

R ---  1

 

 

 

On your max speed.  

 

Stock for a manual transmission tractor is about 6, 6.25 MPH. 

 

10 MPH is a fair increase if considered by percentage. 

 

 

Like those front tires.  Should turn well. Good grab.  

 

Fuel consumption on my Kohler K341 single cylinder is pretty rugged too. 

I can't give you a gallons per hour but I wouldn't be surprised if you used a couple gallons or more per hour.  

 

I don't know if there's an adjustment for that but you DON'T want to run lean.  

 

[Pullstart 62,834]

On 10/30/2023 at 7:13 AM, BairleaFarm said:

 

6 forward 2 reverse.    i call it a 8 speed.

All of this had to do with  nomenclature.  The early transmissions were 3 speeds.  Then came hi and lo range.  6 speed.  Then came another version of 3 speed plus hi and lo, so 8 speed.  Now, we all understand the 6 and 8 speeds have the same gear ranges, but they have meaning as mentioned above 

[BairleaFarm 340]

56 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Was there a crunch noise when you shifted IN to reverse just before the she shed incident?

 

If so that NEEDS to be eliminated.  

Looked like you had the tractor stopped... 

Maybe the belt isn't quite stopping completely ceasing motion?

The belt guard guide looks really good.  Maybe needs a tad bit of adjustment??

 

No crunch but I think it's a panic and if I hit the clutch brake hard enough it pushes the belt passed release to the point it starts spinning again.    I've got a fix for that.

 

43 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Shift pattern as seated. 

 

3 ---  2

R ---  1

 

I did the speed test in 2 hi based off your shift pattern.    Shoot I might get up to 12mph.     To be honest I'm fine with this being the top speed.    That's fine for what I'm using this for.   

 

I only about 76% like the rear toolbox but might have found something better.     🤔     

 

 

[Pullstart 62,834]

Is there any chance you could make a tab to catch the top of the belt as it falls with the clutch pulley?  It might help stop that belt’s movement when you try to shift.  The belt should never be moving still when you attempt to shift.

 

 

[BairleaFarm 340]

On 11/5/2023 at 10:55 AM, Pullstart said:

The belt should never be moving still when you attempt to shift.

 

The belt does stop.    I think I've found this issue.   If I stomp on the brake (emergency lol) the clutch is releasing the belt but goes past, catches the idler, and re engages.    I need to play with clutch to brake ratio adjustment. 

[Pullstart 62,834]

14 minutes ago, BairleaFarm said:

  I think I've found this issue

Good deal!

[BairleaFarm 340]

Boy she can climb.   And rollover 😞 no money in the budget for a rebuilt.  

 

 

[BairleaFarm 340]

Ripped the motor from the frame 

[Handy Don 12,212]

2 hours ago, BairleaFarm said:

Boy she can climb.   And rollover 😞

😢

Hoping there were no physical injuries.

[BairleaFarm 340]

55 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

😢

Hoping there were no physical injuries.

Just my back and leg.   I'm more upset about busting the oil pan on the twin.  Pretty sure that'll be impossible to find a replacement for lol

[kpinnc 12,004]

17 hours ago, BairleaFarm said:

And rollover

 

Hope you weren't injured. Tractors can be rebuilt...

[BairleaFarm 340]

On 11/9/2023 at 10:36 AM, kpinnc said:

 

Hope you weren't injured. 

Sore but nothing major.   

 

Picked up some parts.    2 520h a 418-8 snow plow and a brinley 10" plow.     I need to make back 500 bucks quickly on this and need to do some thinking on what to sell and what to keep.   I robbed Peter to pay Paul but the 500 that come from the non tractor fund needs replaces.    The rest my tractor fund can absorb lol  Not keen on running a onan but guess I have 3 now lol.  

Edited November 11, 2023 by BairleaFarm
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[oliver2-44 9,729]

The 1st one on the trailer has a bracket on the rear for a bagger. That should sell well

[BairleaFarm 340]

1 hour ago, oliver2-44 said:

The 1st one on the trailer has a bracket on the rear for a bagger. That should sell well

It will be.   Ive also got a set of 12 8 and 6" hubcabs.   Several little things like that I wont need.

 

[BairleaFarm 340]

I have decided to retire this wreck and dedicate it to being a parts machine.   

 

Next project is underway.