axle seal replacement and identification

[Jayoutdoors 82]

 

What model am I?  its an 8-speed in a 77 b60.   when I look in the manuals section they don't list that age range for a 8 speed... all i'm looking to do is replace the axle seal on the right, if I need to split the case to do so, I will replace both sides.  any help/advice would be appreciated to help me ID this model number and get the correct seals.

 

is pat number the model number?

[wallfish 17,078]

Model          Year        Description                               Type       Engine            Model              HP    Drive              Model
71-07K801  1977   B Series Garden Tractor  B-60     8-Speed     Kohler        K161T-281269J     7    Wheel Horse    103907

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[ebinmaine 68,205]

Wheelhorse used 8 speed manual transmissions in various forms from 1970 to the end of production. 

 

The tractor you've been Lucky enough to trip over is similar to a C160 but for options like headlamp, seat, and steering wheel. 

 

Double check your own axle diameter. Should be 1-1/8".  

 

 

To remove and replace the axle seals is an outside job. 

BUT....

The seal may be bad because the bearing is loosening. 

THAT necessitates splitting the case. 

 

The hubs will need obviously need to be removed as well. 

DO NOT use a 3 jaw puller!!

 

There are quite a few threads on removing the hubs using homebuilt pullers. 

Also about the actual work I side the transmission. 

@stevasaurus has done some great videos on the subject. 

I have a video on how to split the case. 

 

It's an easy enough and very interesting job given the right tools. 

 

[Ed Kennell 38,598]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

The seal may be bad because the bearing is loosening. 

Exactly,  check for radial movement in the bearing.  There should be no up/down or left/right movement of the axle. Up to 1/8" axial (in/out) movement is OK.

If the bearings are bad, new seals will not last.  

[squonk 41,291]

Axle seal 11050 SkF/ Napa           1/1/8" axle in the 103907 transmission

[Jayoutdoors 82]

5 hours ago, wallfish said:

Model          Year        Description                               Type       Engine            Model              HP    Drive              Model
71-07K801  1977   B Series Garden Tractor  B-60     8-Speed     Kohler        K161T-281269J     7    Wheel Horse    103907

Thank you 

[Jayoutdoors 82]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Wheelhorse used 8 speed manual transmissions in various forms from 1970 to the end of production. 

 

The tractor you've been Lucky enough to trip over is similar to a C160 but for options like headlamp, seat, and steering wheel. 

 

Double check your own axle diameter. Should be 1-1/8".  

 

 

To remove and replace the axle seals is an outside job. 

BUT....

The seal may be bad because the bearing is loosening. 

THAT necessitates splitting the case. 

 

The hubs will need obviously need to be removed as well. 

DO NOT use a 3 jaw puller!!

 

There are quite a few threads on removing the hubs using homebuilt pullers. 

Also about the actual work I side the transmission. 

@stevasaurus has done some great videos on the subject. 

I have a video on how to split the case. 

 

It's an easy enough and very interesting job given the right tools. 

 

Great advice and info! Thanks.  Are the videos on here or YouTube?  I'm very capable of the job just like to do the research ahead of time. 

[Jayoutdoors 82]

2 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

Exactly,  check for radial movement in the bearing.  There should be no up/down or left/right movement of the axle. Up to 1/8" axial (in/out) movement is OK.

If the bearings are bad, new seals will not last.  

Great advice. Appreciate it!

[Jayoutdoors 82]

33 minutes ago, squonk said:

Axle seal 11050 SkF/ Napa           1/1/8" axle in the 103907 transmission

Thanks!

[ebinmaine 68,205]

3 minutes ago, Jayoutdoors said:

Great advice and info! Thanks.  Are the videos on here or YouTube?  I'm very capable of the job just like to do the research ahead of time. 

There's a few videos "pinned" at the top of the Transmission Section. 

 

I've been into at least 10 or 12 transmissions. Several of us, many more. 

If you can tell the difference between the open and closed end of a wrench you'll be fine.  

[ebinmaine 68,205]

 

 

Here's a video from @VinsRJ

 

 

 

 

 

[Jayoutdoors 82]

53 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

There's a few videos "pinned" at the top of the Transmission Section. 

 

I've been into at least 10 or 12 transmissions. Several of us, many more. 

If you can tell the difference between the open and closed end of a wrench you'll be fine.  

does the closed end look like a circle? lol   thanks for the input and video links below!!

[Jayoutdoors 82]

4 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

Exactly,  check for radial movement in the bearing.  There should be no up/down or left/right movement of the axle. Up to 1/8" axial (in/out) movement is OK.

If the bearings are bad, new seals will not last.  

what gear oil do you recommend using in it?  I am going to drain old and replace while I'm doing this the bearings seem good

 

[Ed Kennell 38,598]

1 hour ago, Jayoutdoors said:

what gear oil do you recommend using in it?  I am going to drain old and replace while I'm doing this the bearings seem good

 

Wheel Horse states 90-140w gear oil.    I prefer to use lighter oil especially  if they are used in cold weather.      I like to use 80 or 90w. I feel it is better for the bearings and still heavy enough to stick to the gears.

[Jayoutdoors 82]

22 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

Wheel Horse states 90-140w gear oil.    I prefer to use lighter oil especially  if they are used in cold weather.      I like to use 80 or 90w. I feel it is better for the bearings and still heavy enough to stick to the gears.

I was thinking a 90w being im here in michigan and thinking about getting a blower for it

[ebinmaine 68,205]

6 minutes ago, Jayoutdoors said:

I was thinking a 90w being im here in michigan and thinking about getting a blower for it

 

Here in Maine we use 80W90 year round. 

 

These manual transmissions are TOUGH. 

You could fill it with all kinds of stuff and it'll still be perfectly happy.