How to move a non runner with Eaton 1100?

[ebinmaine 67,534]

What's the correct procedure for moving a tractor with an Eaton 1100 that doesn't run?

 

 

Also, exactly what happens when one is towed that makes it a bad idea? 

[Pullstart 62,902]

If the tractor is light enough, try pushing on it side to side and allowing one tire to slip backwards. That’s my go-to for any hydro that I don’t have access to the tow valve.

[JoeM 7,874]

just knowing what inside of an 1100 makes it a no no to tow.

here is what have learned about it. 

 

when towing or pushing the oil from the output side is greater than the input side and a intensification of pressure can occur. 

the check valves prohibit the oil from back flowing into the charge system and to the sump.

there are o-rings in the unit that can be compromised due to this high pressure. 

you could get away with towing slow on older machines with "wear" as this oil can bypass the input. 

if you notice when pushing an 1100 you can hear those click it t clacks. (it means you got a good tight one) that is the acceleration valves. 

I usually tow or push xi machines that have a neutral on the trans and this is not a issue, on the other machines with no neutral I will trailer them or use the FEL under the back wheels to go longer distance. 

to be safe I would stick to slow hand push only. 

 

 

[squonk 41,121]

As long as it's on pavement or concrete, pick up a couple cheap furniture dollies from Horror Fright or the cheap online vendor of your choice. Jack the rear end and put them under the tires

[SylvanLakeWH 25,577]

 

On grass / dirt / wood chips I used a plastic rolled slide-a-boggan under my yard art rear wheels with locked trans...slid right along...

[ebinmaine 67,534]

45 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

FEL under the back wheels to go longer distance. 

to be safe I would stick to slow hand push only.

 

6 minutes ago, squonk said:

As long as it's on pavement or concrete, pick up a couple cheap furniture dollies from Horror Fright or the cheap online vendor of your choice. Jack the rear end and put them under the tires

 

2 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

 

On grass / dirt / wood chips I used a plastic rolled slide-a-boggan under my yard art rear wheels with locked trans...slid right along...

 

 

Good answers folks. Thanks. 

 

The location is the challenge. 

I can't pull/push etc with another tractor slowly because of lack of traction going uphill. 

 

I do like the sled under rear axle idea.  

 

 

@OldWorkHorse Steve this is for your other machine here.  

[squonk 41,121]

Make sure the kids are out of it! 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,577]

1 minute ago, squonk said:

Make sure the kids are out of it! 

Why? They can help push... 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,577]

2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I do like the sled under rear axle idea.

 

The really cheap rolled up ones work great. They roll right to the wheel all around and i just used gorilla tape to keep it from sliding off...

[Ed Kennell 38,181]

The 1100s can be easily pushed by a large male bear or two small females .  The 700s require a whole herd of bears.

[Handy Don 12,232]

5 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

What's the correct procedure for moving a tractor with an Eaton 1100 that doesn't run?

 

 

Also, exactly what happens when one is towed that makes it a bad idea? 

Per the manuals, it can be moved very slowly by pushing. As noted above, the internal acceleration valves (which allow for smooth starting under power) will close once the “motor” side of the system builds up a certain pressure due to being rotated by the tractor’s motion. When the valves close (unless there is a lot of internal wear) the transmission locks up. (The locking up is a good thing, as it means that in normal operation there is little to no pumped fluid bypassing the hydro motor meaning it’s very efficient. The inefficiency of hydros comes largely from the friction of moving the oil around and the heat it generates.)

 

’93-’96 520-H Owners manual:

HAND PUSHING TRACTOR
Hand push tractor only. Do not tow. Towing can cause severe damage to hydrostatic transmission.
Hydrostatic transmission tractors can be pushed at a slow speed. To do this, move motion control lever fully forward; tractor will then move when pushed.

 

Transaxle service manual

HYDROSTATICTRANSMISSION

1. Rear wheels should "lock up" if tractor is pushed at about walking speed. This is a rough check of transmission condition. If all other parts of the system are good and tractor’s wheels do not lock, it is likely that transmission has excessive internal wear or an internal failure. Conduct a charge pressure and power test.

Edited August 6, 2023 by Handy Don

[c-series don 8,708]

@JCM Jim check out this thread, it kind of answers the question you asked me about pushing the tractor. 

[JoeM 7,874]

1 hour ago, Handy Don said:

To do this, move motion control lever fully forward; tractor will then move when pushed.

Not quite sold on that line in the manual.

I would say only if the input shaft could rotate freely. Especially if the belt is engaged.

I have hand pushed several and that lever had no effect on making it easier. 

Still the capacity of the output is far greater to the input. 

I have seen those damping piston o rings bad. The unit still runs but will slow when warmed up to hot. That is why heavy weight oil helps. If the check valves are good that oil is locked in and only gets relief from the acceleration valves and they are small. 

[JoeM 7,874]

EB you got have enough stuff up there to rig up some kind of pull dolly or something, old axles frames etc. 

And if you can lock the brake and still drag it why not?? 

Where is colossus.??

 

Or fix her where she lays?

 

[JoeM 7,874]

4 hours ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

i just used gorilla tape to keep it from sliding off

Does it have to be gorilla tape?

[SylvanLakeWH 25,577]

3 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

Does it have to be gorilla tape?

Nope... 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,577]

6 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

Where is colossus.??

 

Only the Shadow (of @ebinmaine) knows... 

 

 

Actually, I heard he's with Big Foot, Loch Nessy, and Jimmy Hoffa down in Bolivia somewhere... 

[ebinmaine 67,534]

56 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

EB you got have enough stuff up there to rig up some kind of pull dolly or something, old axles frames etc. 

 

I'm sure we can find a way. 

 

 

56 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

And if you can lock the brake and still drag it why not?? 

 

56 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

Where is colossus.??

 

Colossus is still in project stage. 

Been to busy to prioritize it. 

 

56 minutes ago, Joey Small Block said:

 

Or fix her where she lays?

 

 

It's a parts or repair tractor that someone else is taking. 

 

Issue is we need to move it up a pretty steep pathway.  

 

[ebinmaine 67,534]

3 hours ago, Ed Kennell said:

The 1100s can be easily pushed by a large male bear or two small females .  The 700s require a whole herd of bears.

I'd think we can find those types of equipment 

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,318]

 You can’t employ the loader tractor you guys have? Some chain and that front bucket should lift the rear of the hydro machine and off ya go 

[davem1111 2,030]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

It's a parts or repair tractor that someone else is taking. 

Issue is we need to move it up a pretty steep pathway.  

 

 

I'm just wondering why you put it down there in the first place.... 

[ebinmaine 67,534]

1 hour ago, Sparky said:

 You can’t employ the loader tractor you guys have? Some chain and that front bucket should lift the rear of the hydro machine and off ya go 

You might have a decent option there too.  

 

 

1 hour ago, davem1111 said:

 

I'm just wondering why you put it down there in the first place.... 

 

Dave I ain't not never sayed I were bright. 

[Horse Newbie 7,070]

1 hour ago, davem1111 said:

 

I'm just wondering why you put it down there in the first place.... 

He ain’t got no choice… bears don’t live on the plains. They live in the hills…

Edited August 6, 2023 by Horse Newbie

[ebinmaine 67,534]

4 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

He ain’t got no choice… bears don’t live on the plains. They live in the hills…

Wouldn't have it any other way!! 

[19richie66 17,508]

You should be able to tow it at walking speed. Put a tractor…..I mean “tractah” in first gear low and let it inch it up slowly. I push mine around by hand sometimes and it will roll, click clacking all the way. Just stop if it locks up and start over and slow down. Never had any issues.