Pto triangle plate

[John2189 452]

Any one have an idea why the po drilled the hole for the pto rod? And why are there so many threads on the rod ?

Its a c-165

john

Edited July 25, 2023 by John2189
Added picture

[ebinmaine 67,455]

7 minutes ago, John2189 said:

why the po....... 

 

Tough to say why folks do lots of things. 

 

Perhaps trying to cobblerize the PTO adjustment instead of fixing something?

 

 

[Rick3478 428]

My guess would be worn and sloppy PTO hoop, link, thrust bearing, and the new hole gave it more movement.

[johnnymag3 2,520]

wrong rod also.....bent rod....  It was a feeble attempt to repair something the .......$%^&^%*%    Never mind   

 

just a bad idea in my opinion.....

 

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

cobblerize the PTO adjustment instead of fixing

I could not have said it better Eric ..!!!!

[John2189 452]

22 minutes ago, johnnymag3 said:

wrong rod also.....bent rod....  It was a feeble attempt to repair something the .......$%^&^%*%    Never mind   

 

just a bad idea in my opinion.....

 

I could not have said it better Eric ..!!!!

Ok i don’t have much experience with wheelhorses, what should a good pto look like? A picture of a good one would help me 

also when I engage it, the engine is pushed forward about an inch on the rubber mounts

Edited July 25, 2023 by John2189

[peter lena 8,620]

   @John2189 yup take off the pto break pad frame and make up a heim joint set up , lookin right at at it . bracket set up is wrong , pete

pete

[Lee1977 6,657]

This is a different model Wheel Horse and the engine has been changes but the PTO is what your's should look like.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Lee1977

[Ed Kennell 38,158]

4 hours ago, John2189 said:

 

 when I engage it, the engine is pushed forward about an inch on the rubber mounts

The engine is probably pulled to the rear when the PTO is engaged.

 

RUBBER MOUNTS.....one of Wheel Horses bad ideas.         Replace them with solid mounts.

[oliver2-44 9,743]

To get you headed in the right direction:

Check that the rubber engine mounts are not broken/torn/disintegrated (As Ed said replace them with solid mounts when you can. Google "Zack Keepler" he makes them)

Straighten that threaded rod and clean the treads with a wire brush so the trunnion can be moved easily.

Move the trunion back to its original outer hole in the triangle plate. 

Move (rotate on the threads) the trunnion to where it puts pressure on the PTO to engage the clutch. (If the rubber mounts are good it should just move the engine a little)

The Helm joints that Peter recommends are a great improvement, but not necessary to get you started with your new to you Wheel Horse. 

 

While your working on this, now is a good time to pull the PTO bell off (remove the hoop) and clean and lube that large needle bearing.  Don't over grease it, or it will sling greased on the PTO clutch.

Edited July 25, 2023 by oliver2-44

[Rick3478 428]

13 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

The engine is probably pulled to the rear when the PTO is engaged.

 

RUBBER MOUNTS.....one of Wheel Horses bad ideas.         Replace them with solid mounts.

 

When properly adjusted and in good condition, the pull of the rod is somewhat balanced by the pull of the mule drive belt.  I owned a C-125 awhile and agree that was not one of their better ideas.

[JCM 9,136]

27 minutes ago, oliver2-44 said:

 

 Google "Zack Keepler" he makes them

Zach Kerber Machine and Design.  @oliver2-44   

[John2189 452]

The rubber mounts seem to be ok. Ill grease the pto bell

mabey the mower belt is a bit loose letting the engine move 

[John2189 452]

8 hours ago, John2189 said:

Any one have an idea why the po drilled the hole for the pto rod? And why are there so many threads on the rod ?

Its a c-165

john

Is the plate upside down? Does not look like Lee1977s

 

5 hours ago, Lee1977 said:

This is a different model Wheel Horse and the engine has been changes but the PTO is what your's should look like.

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by John2189

[ebinmaine 67,455]

59 minutes ago, John2189 said:

mower belt is a bit loose letting the engine move 

I don't have a flex mount tractor here but I'm not sure the mower belt should allow/cause  excess engine block movement.  

 

[Ed Kennell 38,158]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

I don't have a flex mount tractor here but I'm not sure the mower belt should allow/cause  excess engine block movement.  

 

I agree Eric.   Adjusting the deck belt tension to position the engine is not the way it is supposed to work.

    I guess in addition to the PTO engagement rod force pulling to the rear and the deck drive belt pulling to the front, we should also add the transmission drive belt tension pulling to the rear as the third force that is positioning a rubber mounted  engine.    

[ebinmaine 67,455]

8 hours ago, John2189 said:

Is the plate upside down? Does not look like Lee1977s

 

 

Could be an apples to oranges comparison where you have two different tractors and/or yours has been modified. 

Best bet is to check the Pictures Section to see if there's a better view of a model closer to yours. 

 

 

[oliver2-44 9,743]

15 hours ago, John2189 said:

Is the plate upside down? Does not look like Lee1977s

 

 

Yes your plate needs to be flipped over so it looks like Lee's picture.