Vinco 33 #1 Posted July 20, 2023 Hi! I'm from central Arkansas, and my compulsion for interesting mechanical things has combined with my need to both mow my lawn easier than pushing and to be able to schlep stuff around my vast 2-acre estate lol! Which has led me to discover the Wheel Horse tractor and subsequently this forum. My first introduction to the brand was a Facebook ad for a guy locally selling a C-195. After not much research, mostly here on RS, I became fascinated with the mechanics of the brand, especially the mule drive system for the deck and other accessories, so I went and looked at it and ultimately bought it from him. So now I'm going nuts about looking for these things, and I find another ad for a WH 48" mower deck. One of the pictures showed the deck sitting on the hood of the tractor with the remnants of the decals visible, which said C-175 Twin 8-speed. While it looks ROUGH, the body work is solid except for the fiberglass seat surround. The motor is locked up tight, and the transmission won't shift. I may see about repowering it if I can get the transmission figured out. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 21,314 #2 Posted July 20, 2023 Jumping right into the addiction with a C-195…impressive! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,524 #3 Posted July 20, 2023 Love the Black Hoods! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,381 #4 Posted July 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, Sparky said: Jumping right into the addiction with a C-195…impressive! Agreed! And... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,562 #5 Posted July 20, 2023 Share some pictures of your new 's please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,828 #6 Posted July 20, 2023 don’t force that locked up transmission, it’s likely able to be saved 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,813 #9 Posted July 20, 2023 Around here a C-195 is known as the Super C... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,725 #10 Posted July 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Sparky said: Jumping right into the addiction with a C-195…impressive! Impressive, I'm down right jealous of a Newbie starting with a Supper C. Guess I should just say If the transmission main shifter is locked up it might be in two gears at once, or it has water in it. What does the rubber boot around the shifter look like, that is where water gets in these transmissions. Drain the transmission and if it has water or milkshake looking oil it needs to come apart. Fill it with diesel/kerosene to help flush it out before disassembly. That gear oil is a mess. If the oil is decent, remove the shifter by removing the allen head bolt and look down in the hole. Check that the two shift rails look like they form a "square " when it is in neutral. If it doesn't look square take a large screw drive and try to move one of the shift rails so it forms a square. Don't use excessive force, you could break a shift fork. also, if the high low shifter wont move, it needs to come apart and get cleaned up. These transmissions are not hard to disassemble and repair. Steve posted a great video to help you on that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinco 33 #12 Posted July 20, 2023 12 hours ago, Sparky said: Jumping right into the addiction with a C-195…impressive! Go big or go home, right? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinco 33 #13 Posted July 21, 2023 9 hours ago, oliver2-44 said: Impressive, I'm down right jealous of a Newbie starting with a Supper C. Guess I should just say If the transmission main shifter is locked up it might be in two gears at once, or it has water in it. What does the rubber boot around the shifter look like, that is where water gets in these transmissions. Drain the transmission and if it has water or milkshake looking oil it needs to come apart. Fill it with diesel/kerosene to help flush it out before disassembly. That gear oil is a mess. If the oil is decent, remove the shifter by removing the allen head bolt and look down in the hole. Check that the two shift rails look like they form a "square " when it is in neutral. If it doesn't look square take a large screw drive and try to move one of the shift rails so it forms a square. Don't use excessive force, you could break a shift fork. also, if the high low shifter wont move, it needs to come apart and get cleaned up. These transmissions are not hard to disassemble and repair. Steve posted a great video to help you on that. Thank you for the welcome and the advice! While the 195 does indeed seem more rare, the 175 may actually be more interesting to me in terms of actually working on a project, because the 195 actually starts easily, runs and drives. The 175 hi-lo selector is stuck in high, and the gear shifter is in neutral. The wheels will turn in opposite directions, but the tractor will not roll. The trans dipstick is kind of corroded, so I don't have extremely high hopes for the rest of the transmission. I put half a quart of ATF in there just to let it marinate for a bit. I also filled the engine cylinders with ATF to let them soak. We'll see if it helps break anything loose. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,725 #14 Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) The hi lo shifter has a fork that can bend causing it to stick. It also has no seal where it enters the transmission and that shaft can rust and stick. Try some penetrant around the shifter several times. But I would suspect it’s the shift fork. On your KT17 engine do you know if it is a Series 1 or 2. Series 1 had a lube problem mowing on slopes, causing rod failures. Series2 has an oil pump and filter. That fixed that problem. Edited July 21, 2023 by oliver2-44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinco 33 #15 Posted July 21, 2023 A few pics are always in order. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
