stegs 325 #1 Posted July 12, 2023 My 416H seems to have a slow leak. it seems to be leaking where the hub and axle all meet? I took the tire off, and cant see where its coming from, but if it sits overnight there is a wet spot Wondering how hard/tough is it to replace the seal? Is the seal even available? if so, where can i find one? Is this something the average person can do, or should it go to a shop? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,893 #2 Posted July 12, 2023 Easy to do. Remove tire. Remove hub. (Search hub removal for tips) Use small screw driver or pick to remove seals. Carefully slide new seal back on. Replace hub Replace wheel Available from: wheelhorsepartsandmore.com Lowell is a vendor here on this site. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,352 #3 Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) When you are picking around the axle to remove the seal, be careful so you don't scratch the axle surface. I have never had a seal come out easily like many on here claim, mine fought all the way out. Clean the axle with a very fine abrasive cloth and remove any burrs, often the set screw will raise up a burr that needs to be filed down. You can use the hub as a slide hammer to pound the seal in squarely. I should have mentioned first thing is to check for play up and down, if there is any, the bearing is bad, play in and out is normal. Edited July 12, 2023 by lynnmor 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stegs 325 #4 Posted July 13, 2023 anybody have a part number? #6449? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,352 #5 Posted July 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, stegs said: anybody have a part number? #6449? If it has 1-1/8" axles, that would be correct. I buy mine on the popular auction site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,848 #6 Posted July 14, 2023 Removing the hub is usually the hardest part. Sometimes, the leaky seal helps lube the hub for removal. You will need a hub puller. Don’t use a 3 jaw puller on the hub OD. You will break it. When installing the new seal cover the axle key way slot with tape so it doesn’t cut the new seal. Also once removed and cleaned up you can use the hub to square up and tap the new seal in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stegs 325 #7 Posted July 17, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 12:00 AM, oliver2-44 said: Removing the hub is usually the hardest part. Sometimes, the leaky seal helps lube the hub for removal. You will need a hub puller. Don’t use a 3 jaw puller on the hub OD. You will break it. When installing the new seal cover the axle key way slot with tape so it doesn’t cut the new seal. Also once removed and cleaned up you can use the hub to square up and tap the new seal in. I will have to track down a hub puller of some type and look at it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,716 #8 Posted July 17, 2023 @stegshttps://www.myinboardmarine.com/products/packing-extractor-western-pacific®-oem-wpt-10160? v used these for years , in repacking vesssel / drive packing boxes , look for something similar , tiny hole in seal face , screw in , pull out . get some KROIL PENETRATING OIL , ON THAT HUB , pull out setting bolt , keyway soak . would also gently tap the hub face , to assist KROIL SEEPAGE / CREAP . pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,848 #9 Posted July 17, 2023 11 hours ago, stegs said: I will have to track down a hub puller of some type and look at it If you have an old hub you can make one with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stegs 325 #10 Posted July 18, 2023 13 hours ago, oliver2-44 said: If you have an old hub you can make one with it. I dont. I dont want to break it thats for sure. Ill try and find something. maybe my brother in law has something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,848 #11 Posted July 18, 2023 @stegsCheck the member map, it looks like there are a lot of members near you and one of the might have a puller to loan you. Even @Pullstart doesn't look a long way from you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stegs 325 #12 Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 2:09 PM, oliver2-44 said: @stegsCheck the member map, it looks like there are a lot of members near you and one of the might have a puller to loan you. Even @Pullstart doesn't look a long way from you. great idea!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stegs 325 #13 Posted July 25, 2023 Good news Got the hub removed last night without damaging the hub or the axle shaft now, how the heck do i get the key out? It wont budge!! I thought the hub was a pain in the butt, but this key could be worse!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,856 #14 Posted July 25, 2023 Chisel under the end. For really recalcitrant keys use the cutoff wheel on your Dremel. Slit the key lengthwise (fol owing the curvy of the key so you do not damage the axle) the use a chisel to collapse it from the sides in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,352 #15 Posted July 25, 2023 Of course you are soaking it with penetrating oil. If the key isn't extremely stuck, I take a punch and hammer down on the rear of the key so that it rocks up in the front, supporting the axle on some blocking will help and will prevent bearing damage. You don't want to smash it till the sides expand but they are pretty tough and can take some hammering. Once the front is tilted up, a chisel can be used to tap it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
