Dump truck build

[JPWH 6,033]

11 minutes ago, wallfish said:

 

Are you thinking 1" spindles into a 3/4 axle hole?

They are 7/8 spindles. From a 1054.

 

[19richie66 17,500]

1 minute ago, JPWH said:

They are 7/8 spindles. From a 1054.

 

I have three gt14 front axles laying here. Wish you were closer

[JPWH 6,033]

8 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

I have three gt14 front axles laying here. Wish you were closer

Thanks Richie, I thought about getting a 953 or similar axle but the one I want to use is 2" longer and only has a 3" drop. I think that axle would make the frame too high? I may have to build an axle to get the width I need.

[JPWH 6,033]

8 hours ago, 19richie66 said:

I have three gt14 front axles laying here. Wish you were closer

@19richie66 would you happen to have any steering arms that would work with the Ross steering? 

[19richie66 17,500]

2 hours ago, JPWH said:

@19richie66 would you happen to have any steering arms that would work with the Ross steering? 

Not that I’m aware of.

[Pullstart 62,834]

12 hours ago, JPWH said:

They are 7/8 spindles. From a 1054.

 

you know, the non-Ross 953/1054/GT14 steering gear is pretty stout as well.  Once I begin rebuilding mine, I think I’ll swap over to that steering vs traditional 

[wallfish 16,994]

11 hours ago, JPWH said:

@19richie66 would you happen to have any steering arms that would work with the Ross steering? 

How about something like this?

This what I was thinking for getting around the big tires and under the frame for the engine up front.

Use new heim joints for the tie rods

 

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,314]

On 7/1/2023 at 8:48 AM, Ed Kennell said:

Wasn't there a large dump truck build started at the 2022 show?   

Yep…

 

 

[JPWH 6,033]

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50 minutes ago, wallfish said:

How about something like this?

This what I was thinking for getting around the big tires and under the frame for the engine up front.

Use new heim joints for the tie rods

 

That looks complicated. I think by raising the frame and a wider axle then maybe incorporating your heim joints that may work.

[Ed Kennell 38,120]

4 hours ago, Sparky said:

Yep…

 

 

 

 

I thought this was to be the 2023 raffle tractor.    Any update on the status?

 

 

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,314]

  I heard the same thing about it being the 2023 raffle rig. Maybe it wasnt completed??

[JPWH 6,033]

I laid out the build on the shop floor and the frame is going to be +/- 8'. I ordered the 2x2x3/8 angle iron for the frame today and dug around on the metal storage rack and found a piece of 2x3x1/4 tube steel to make the axle and some round stock to make the spindle and axle pin supports. I may get started sticking metal together this weekend.

[wallfish 16,994]

I'm still torn between low and hot roddie fast (35-40 mph) or big powerful with lots of torque and slow. Maybe UTV type with some tube frame ?????

 

8 ft is a long one. You'll need to position the Ackerman angle for the steering arms correctly so it tracks and steers right so it helps with the steering radius.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_steering_geometry

There's lots of crazy math out there for it but go by this simple diagram and it works great for our low speed non space shuttle tractors.

[JPWH 6,033]

3 hours ago, wallfish said:

I'm still torn between low and hot roddie fast (35-40 mph) or big powerful with lots of torque and slow. Maybe UTV type with some tube frame ?????

 

8 ft is a long one.

I'm going for 2 seater garden tractor that looks like a dump truck. The wheel base should be about 6'. I'm going for a 3x5 dump bed but I'm short legged at 5'7" so it may shorten up a little.

I don't have a supply of parts tractors so the tires may need to be sourced new. Maybe dual ags and tri ribs.

I was checking out the Ackerman angle and was intending to use the diagram you show as a starting point and go from there.

[ebinmaine 67,404]

At low speeds it won't hurt much to have the wheelbase a touch too long for a given Ackerman angle. 

Our long wheelbase semi  trucks are a prime example.  

 

At. Low. Speeds. 

 

When I'm turning very sharp into a parking spot or driveway the front of the trucks definitely scrubs some. Unavoidable.  

 

That scrubbing can be negated some on a tractor by making the front wheels tilt out at the top a few degrees. 

I found that on some farm tractors and built the spindles for Colossus that way. 

 

Using a tri-rib tire will also help a fair amount.  

 

[wallfish 16,994]

These old Toro Golf coarse tractors were cool

 

But somehow mine will end up looking something like this

[c-series don 8,687]

Nothing about that picture is OSHA approved! 

[ebinmaine 67,404]

12 minutes ago, c-series don said:

Nothing about that picture is OSHA approved! 

Here in Hill country those letters have a slightly different meaning:

 

Only Safety Hazards Allowed

 

 

But... on the other hand it appears they have a fairly decent, 

Overhead Safety Hazard Avoidance 

System in place.  

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,525]

Trail cam at @Pullstart's in about 30 years... he's gone full native and doesn't even wear his steel toed flip flops anymore... 

 

[Pullstart 62,834]

@SylvanLakeWH if I were to go full native, there would be a blurred center section.  At least he’s got his safety skivies on!

[c-series don 8,687]

How did I know Kevin would be dragged into this 🤣

[Pullstart 62,834]

Can’t be my charming smile @c-series don!  

[19richie66 17,500]

Why did I get involved with this thread? Now you got me wanting to stretch the D and put a bed on it.   If I did that though, I could lower the 3 speed transmission in the frame and use a belt on the front and a small driveshaft to the rear axle.  

Edited July 7, 2023 by 19richie66

[JPWH 6,033]

56 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

Why did I get involved with this thread? Now you got me wanting to stretch the D and put a bed on it.   If I did that though, I could lower the 3 speed transmission in the frame and use a belt on the front and a small driveshaft to the rear axle.  

So your upping the game with a tandem axle? Go for it I'll follow along.

[Handy Don 12,209]

8 minutes ago, JPWH said:

So your upping the game with a tandem axle? Go for it I'll follow along.

Tandem. Follow.

Good one!