Erosion control ideas?

[ebinmaine 67,419]

The Trina person and I are looking for thoughts comments questions suggestions on how to slow down and redirect the rain runoff from the street and from the barn roof. 

 

Note:  it's unlikely to be gutters because of the Heavy Duty winter seasons.  

 

 

Here's the driveway. 

 

 

 

 

We're thinking of maybe a row of stone on the edge. 

 

 

 

The worst area of the side of the barn.  

 

 

 

 

What we lost through the boulder/rock/ stone wall.  

 

 

 

Other spot bottom and top.  

 

 

 

 

What say you fine intelligent folk??

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,533]

I have a 25'x12' area of 22aa limestone with fines. I kept it dead flat for that very reason. Sheet flows very slowly during heavy rain instead of accumulating in a channel. No erosion issues. 1'-2' higher than adjacent grade on one side. See pic.

 

Could try french drain placed at roof edge in gravel. Drains directly from roof to linear box drain to 4" elephant trunk discharge at base of grade.

 

 

[ri702bill 8,316]

I dug a drywell to collect water behind the pool retaining wall an eleborate snake of 4 " perforated plastic flexable drainage pipe with a "geosock" outer liner to keep sand out while allowing water in. The last 20 or so feet were non-perforated - fed into a perforated 55 gallon drum at the lowest point. Also it has a "hidden" PVC overflow pipe that juts up to the base of the hedges. Allows a moderate rain to disapate, allows a gully-washer to go underground to the curb.

[Pullstart 62,834]

They don’t have heavy duty gutters for your area EB?  What about dropping them below the plane of snow runoff?

[ri702bill 8,316]

Just now, Pullstart said:

They don’t have heavy duty gutters for your area EB?  What about dropping them below the plane of snow runoff?

Silly!! Gutters get in the way of the snow rake!!!

[ebinmaine 67,419]

7 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

They don’t have heavy duty gutters for your area EB?  What about dropping them below the plane of snow runoff?

That would make them ineffective against the very  downpours of water we're trying to divert. 

 

7 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

Silly!! Gutters get in the way of the snow rake!!!

No snow rakes here Mister.  

Metal roofs. 

 

 

 

Good ideas but I should add in here that the damage above ALL occured in less than half an hour.  

 

😮😮😮

[Pullstart 62,834]

I bet BBT could have ran around karate chopping the water and diverting it up the mountain…

[ebinmaine 67,419]

7 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

I bet BBT could have ran around karate chopping the water and diverting it up the mountain…

NOW ya tell me!!! 

[Pullstart 62,834]

49 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

I bet BBT could have ran around karate chopping the water and diverting it up the mountain…

 

42 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

NOW ya tell me!!! 

I’ve practically seen her move fast enough to pull it off!

[ebinmaine 67,419]

Just now, Pullstart said:

 

I’ve practically seen her move fast enough to pull it off!

 

 

And... That's in a fairly calm state. 

Imagine that Ball Of Energy sparring.  

 

 

 

[Pullstart 62,834]

15 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

And... That's in a fairly calm state. 

Imagine that Ball Of Energy sparring.  

 

 

 

no thanks!

 

[Horse Newbie 7,068]

I used to have water coming in the garage when we would have a heavy or light rain… pad right off garage should have a little more slope away… So I cut the concrete driveway right off the garage door, installed a drain channel, built a catch basin under a downspout which was a source of a good amount of water coming off the house right near that garage corner. From there I went to another two catch basins to collect water coming toward the garage from across the yard. From there I installed drain channel across the front of the pad because water comes down the driveway (knowing that someday I would replace the gravel driveway with concrete).Then across the yard with a clean out at the bend… then to an outfall in the lower part of the yard well away from the house…

This was not an erosion issue, but if you are in the mood for some hard labor, just an idea…

BTW… all pipe is 4 inch PVC with no holes… easily stays clean on its own.

I need to go ahead and screw down those drain channel grates with the recommended No. 8x1 stainless steel screws, as the grates are slotted and doesn’t allow anything in that would cause a clog…

Edited June 3, 2023 by Horse Newbie

[SylvanLakeWH 25,533]

@Horse Newbie - Nice!!! 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,068]

Thank you @SylvanLakeWH !

I don’t think I’m what you would call a perfectionist, but I do put well enough effort into a project so that it looks good, works well, and I’m not ashamed to say I did it. 😆

[Ed Kennell 38,130]

I tried stone, crusher waste, and hundreds of gallons of old oil on my sloped road  and it  continued to wash out.    Then I covered it with black top millings.  No more wash outs.

[6wheeler 603]

Ok. So I may be feeble minded here. I see the washouts. But? What are they coming off of. I can give ideas of spillways. I need to see what the main line issue is.

[ebinmaine 67,419]

2 hours ago, 6wheeler said:

Ok. So I may be feeble minded here. I see the washouts. But? What are they coming off of. I can give ideas of spillways. I need to see what the main line issue is.

Big barn but only on the right side interestingly 

[ebinmaine 67,419]

8 hours ago, 6wheeler said:

Ok. So I may be feeble minded here. I see the washouts. But? What are they coming off of. I can give ideas of spillways. I need to see what the main line issue is.

Here's a video for ya..

 

 

 

 

 

[peter lena 8,608]

@ebinmaine  showing you where it wants to go , a number of run off spots could easily be enhanced with , slight  flat blade  enhancement . think thats your main issue , think your first picture says it all , enhance the drainage side slightly , also  enhance the starting point for directional flow . would not count on this change in one , try BUT LOOK AT RESULTS TO CHANGE . had a much smaller deal from neighbors land . just started , grading / diverting  water flow to his side of drive , every time it rained , looked at results . really did not take much to make that go away . this will not be a one and done deal , BTW neighbor never  saw / said anything , sneaky , pete 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,533]

Looking at video i'd put silt fence between boulders and aggregate. Vertically 2' straight down and few inches higher than grade - then hidden by rocks. that will contain aggregate and allow water through...

[oliver2-44 9,729]

How about some G"round Grid" several choices on Amazon.  You work in the building material sector, i bet some of the supplies around there have it.

[Horse Newbie 7,068]

Do you have a pipe or culvert going under your driveway?

I would think the main supply of the torrent is coming down the road with some crossing over the right side of the street right before your driveway (according to your video)

I thought the water was water that fell on your land… seems like it is invading water that is causing more problems than the large amount coming off of the barn…

[formariz 11,987]

You are going to have to do some serious planing and work. Water needs to be caught at source point and channeled properly to an exit point where it will do no damage. Properties on a slope are always a challenge and I am proof of it. Attached are photos of an area that I had similar issues with. It’s not as large as yours but the problem was severe. Made large gullets with perforated pipe and stone on sides of walkway. Introduced a drain in front of shed and an underground tank to the right of it. All water goes into that tank and then to the very back of property where. It is slowed and dispersed into a wide area. There are still a couple of areas that are not too bad but will get a similar treatment. 

 Water from 2000 square feet of pavers ran down furiously into winding path excavating everything on the sides and even destroying path.

 

Reinforced pavers edges with a reinforced concrete bulkhead underground. Made large gullets on sides with stone and large perforated pipe.

 

Added drain in front of shed. All piping and drain are connected together and go into a tank on right side of shed. In turn all of that water is channeled to back of property. 

 

no more erosion or muddy areas. 

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,068]

4 minutes ago, formariz said:

All piping and drain are connected together and go into a tank on right side of shed

Why do you have it going to a tank first… to use for watering/ garden ?

BTW, very nice landscaping and hardscaping…

[formariz 11,987]

8 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Why do you have it going to a tank first… to use for watering/ garden ?

BTW, very nice landscaping and hardscaping…

Tank is not that large. It’s more of a junction box for all the pipes going into it. It’s accessible for cleaning or unclogging if necessary. Top of it is under the 5+ inches of stone. Exit from tank is also much larger than the inlets into it. I have a similar system in the main driveway in front of house.