Front end loader

[diesel life 42]

Ok guys, so about a year ago I posted that I was thing about building my own loader from the pf engineering plans. Well life happens and I still have not gotten around to it. I am currently replacing some warn parts on my 520h and getting ready for a loader. But in all of this I happend to find a loader for sale, the guy says he believes that its a old johnson needs some work but not a lot. He states that he has new cylinders and a bunch of new hoses for it. I would need to finish it up and build a frame for it. He is wanting $1500. My question is doea this sound reasonable? I figure if I did the pf engineering loader I would probably have close to that in it. Also I have the reese hitch on the back of the 520h from wheelhorse parts and more great hitch but do any of you know how much weight you can hang off of it? Let me know what you guys think

[ebinmaine 67,339]

4 hours ago, diesel life said:

He is wanting $1500. My question is doea this sound reasonable?

 

As long as the metal is solid overall... 

Run. Don't walk. Go get it. ASAP. 

Even without the lower frame that's a screamin' deal. 

 

 

4 hours ago, diesel life said:

Also I have the reese hitch on the back of the 520h from wheelhorse parts and more great hitch but do any of you know how much weight you can hang off of it?

 

Lowell would be the best one to answer that. 

I'm thinking I would hang 200 lbs off it without hesitation. 

 

[953 nut 55,128]

6 hours ago, diesel life said:

he has new cylinders and a bunch of new hoses for it

Price out the cylinders and hoses for the one you would build with the plans from PF Engineering and the steel, you'll find that you are almost at the $ 1,500 mark already.      That is well worth taking a look at.

[Pullstart 62,814]

Yeah, that’s worth it!  
 

Some day I’ll finish the loader project that I started to finish over a year ago…

 

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/68968-ark-500-loader-rebuild-on-a-522xi/?page=13&tab=comments#comment-1108566

Until then…

 

 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Pullstart

[diesel life 42]

Thank you guys for the info, I will have to go and check it out. Hooefully its in good condition and I will bring it home we shall see. Thanks again guys.

[PWL216 888]

I have Johnson TC10 loader on my C121. I paid $1,000 for it a year ago with the subframe. The bucket metal needs some work, but it’s fine for now. I also bought the PE Engineering plans. I went thru the parts list line by line, found replacements parts for those that were no longer available, and they about $1,500 without the metal. Cylinders will cost $1,000, pump $150ish, valve $100ish and hydraulic lines are $400ish. I think you would be all in, building it yourself, at just over $2k. I’m not sure I would have paid $1,500 for mine vs building new, but then again, I knew I’d probably never get around to actually building it, and I really wanted/needed one, so…maybe

 

 

[wallfish 16,990]

A PF loader would exceed $2K. It's A LOT of work too. Built a PF backhoe in 2008 and that was probably $2K and the steel was scavenged.

BUT, it would be brand new and you can always adapt things to your liking. Plus the satisfaction of building your own.

[diesel life 42]

4 hours ago, PWL216 said:

I have Johnson TC10 loader on my C121. I paid $1,000 for it a year ago with the subframe. The bucket metal needs some work, but it’s fine for now. I also bought the PE Engineering plans. I went thru the parts list line by line, found replacements parts for those that were no longer available, and they about $1,500 without the metal. Cylinders will cost $1,000, pump $150ish, valve $100ish and hydraulic lines are $400ish. I think you would be all in, building it yourself, at just over $2k. I’m not sure I would have paid $1,500 for mine vs building new, but then again, I knew I’d probably never get around to actually building it, and I really wanted/needed one, so…maybe

 

 

I don't have to have the loader, but it would come in handy around the yard for all the gardening and landscaping that we do and in keeping the driveway nice. If I build my own I don't really know if I will have the time to get it built. My uncle has a welding shop and everything to fab one up we just don't have the time for the most part.

[diesel life 42]

2 hours ago, wallfish said:

A PF loader would exceed $2K. It's A LOT of work too. Built a PF backhoe in 2008 and that was probably $2K and the steel was scavenged.

BUT, it would be brand new and you can always adapt things to your liking. Plus the satisfaction of building your own.

Thank you for the information, brand new would be nice if I can find the time.

[diesel life 42]

Here are some pictures of it, they aren't great pictures let me know what you think and if in fact it is a Johnson.

[oliver2-44 9,714]

4 hours ago, PWL216 said:

I have Johnson TC10 loader on my C121. I paid $1,000 for it a year ago

You stole it for $1000 were you wearing a 

[oliver2-44 9,714]

@diesel life

New cylinders, valve and some new hoses

Quit talking to us and RUN.

If it were closer I’d be meeting the seller for breakfast. 

[diesel life 42]

Well I pulled the trigger on the loader drove the 6 hour round trip today and picked it up. He gave me a bunch of hydraulic lines the spool valve and he had a pump also. Probably gonna end up getting a new pump but we will see. So does anybody wanna share there loader frame and pump set up so I have something to go off of? I think I'm going to take the attach a mattic plate off and bolt it there then run the frame back to where the dozer blade hoks into the axle bracket. Don't know about the front yet. If you have a loader let me see your frame.

[953 nut 55,128]

The subframe on my loader bolts through the two holes where the Attach-A-Mattic would bolt on also. The rear saddles the rear axle from below. The front portion is bolted to the frame with two bolts on each side.

 

[diesel life 42]

3 hours ago, 953 nut said:

The subframe on my loader bolts through the two holes where the Attach-A-Mattic would bolt on also. The rear saddles the rear axle from below. The front portion is bolted to the frame with two bolts on each side.

 

Thank you for the pictures that helps. What hydraulic pump and set up will you be running?

[wallfish 16,990]

You will need a pump that's designed to be run by a belt side load and most are direct couple with a lovejoy.

Here's the same pump from PF Eng plans and the same one I used for a back hoe. It will work either turning either direction CW or CCW so that also gives you more options for mounting it.

 

https://www.northerntool.com/products/concentric-high-pressure-hydraulic-gear-pump-0-517-cu-in-model-g1232c5a300n00-10567#hotbar-description

[diesel life 42]

On 4/17/2023 at 3:43 AM, wallfish said:

You will need a pump that's designed to be run by a belt side load and most are direct couple with a lovejoy.

Here's the same pump from PF Eng plans and the same one I used for a back hoe. It will work either turning either direction CW or CCW so that also gives you more options for mounting it.

 

https://www.northerntool.com/products/concentric-high-pressure-hydraulic-gear-pump-0-517-cu-in-model-g1232c5a300n00-10567#hotbar-description

Thank you I will get this ordered.

[diesel life 42]

Does anybody know if there is a thread of guys with 520h's with a loader showing there frame and pump set up? I have searched but found not a lot on it. Just wandering before I create a new post

[ebinmaine 67,339]

18 minutes ago, diesel life said:

Does anybody know if there is a thread of guys with 520h's with a loader showing there frame and pump set up? I have searched but found not a lot on it. Just wandering before I create a new post

 

Likely the frame would be the same on any 300 400 500 series.  

 

I can post some of a 1986 416-8 if it would help.  

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,339]

[diesel life 42]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Likely the frame would be the same on any 300 400 500 series.  

 

I can post some of a 1986 416-8 if it would help.  

 

 

Thank you

[diesel life 42]

So are any of you guys with loaders running a remote spin on hydraulic filter set up? If so can I see how you have them mounted?

[ebinmaine 67,339]

On 5/7/2023 at 1:17 PM, diesel life said:

So are any of you guys with loaders running a remote spin on hydraulic filter set up? If so can I see how you have them mounted?

 

John put one in the backhoe machine but I don't know for which hydraulic circuit. It's mounted on top of the transmission under the seat pan.  

[diesel life 42]

So would it be better to run the hdraulic pump off a belt or I've been looking and I could take the pulley mechanism off and run a lovejoy coupler straight to the engine . If you take the pulleys off except the belt pulley the shaft would be long enough and there is a couole bolts that you could mount a bracket on to hang the pump on. Just thinking that's an option.

[oliver2-44 9,714]

One of the nice things about using a belt to the PTO pulley is then the pump doesn’t have to be running all the time. 
On the other hand I’ve seen some direct shaft mounted on the flywheel side of a Kohler using a Kohler stub shaft that bolts to the flywheel. I woul think the same type stub shaft would be available for an Onan.