2acrefarm 9 #1 Posted April 6, 2023 I have a 416 HT Wheel Horse mid 90s. I put the rototiller that came with it on today got everything going except it won't lift. It sounds like it wants to but no movement. I know I'm offering little detail so ask away or offer any advice. Thanks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick3478 428 #2 Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, 2acrefarm said: I have a 416 HT Wheel Horse mid 90s. I put the rototiller that came with it on today got everything going except it won't lift. It sounds like it wants to but no movement. I know I'm offering little detail so ask away or offer any advice. Thanks Cable lift with big honkin' helper spring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,305 #3 Posted April 6, 2023 Neighbor! Does the tractor have the rock shaft kit installed? Check that the cable is pulling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 8,693 #4 Posted April 6, 2023 It should lift without the helper spring. That is really more for manual lift. Can you please post pictures? Especially where the cable is hooked up under the tractor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #5 Posted April 7, 2023 It has big honkin spring with a chain I will get pics tomorrow. Thanks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #6 Posted April 7, 2023 4 hours ago, c-series don said: It should lift without the helper spring. That is really more for manual lift. Can you please post pictures? Especially where the cable is hooked up under the tractor. There is no cable 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #7 Posted April 7, 2023 4 hours ago, lynnmor said: Neighbor! Does the tractor have the rock shaft kit installed? Check that the cable is pulling. Hello, I don’t know what the “rock shaft kit” is…. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blasterdad 2,692 #8 Posted April 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, 2acrefarm said: Hello, I don’t know what the “rock shaft kit” is…. Click on the red underlined "rock shaft kit" in the above post. It's a link with a pic of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,843 #9 Posted April 7, 2023 We really need pictures to see what’s going on. Hydro lift? Electric lift? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 8,693 #10 Posted April 7, 2023 It has to have a cable to lift! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,620 #11 Posted April 7, 2023 @2acrefarm agree with @lynnmor and others on having the correct / complete lift set up . dare I say it ? lubricate every mount / movement area , get some red spray grease into the cable slide tube , also look up picture mountings on this site . what does the " oil " look like in that unit? is there any ? pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,305 #12 Posted April 7, 2023 10 hours ago, 2acrefarm said: Hello, I don’t know what the “rock shaft kit” is…. Download the manual here. If you continue to have problems, I am at New Bridgeville, just send me a private message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick3478 428 #13 Posted April 7, 2023 15 hours ago, 2acrefarm said: Hello, I don’t know what the “rock shaft kit” is…. If the tractor has never had a rear implement before, it may not have all the necessary parts. IIRC, steel cable goes from main rockshaft through a tube to a smaller rockshaft under the seat, and your chain hooks to that. Disagree with whoever said the spring is not needed, tiller is very heavy and will wear out cable real fast, like first time used, if you don't have the helper spring. Been there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 8,693 #14 Posted April 7, 2023 That would be me. I’ve been running a tiller on my Work Horse GT-1800 since 1984 doing gardens for my lawn customers for years. NEVER HAD THE SPRING. No rear rock shaft, just a straight cable. Yes I’ve probably been through 5-6 cables over the years. However I’ve done A LOT of tilling, I’m on my third set of tines now. As a matter of fact I didn’t even know that there was a rear rock shaft and spring option until Red Square came along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #15 Posted April 11, 2023 Attached are pictures. Again ask away or offer what you can. I know the tiller worked before and it did lift and go down…., 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 8,693 #16 Posted April 11, 2023 Is the other end of the cable attached to the rockshaft under the tractor? If it is does everything work if it’s not hooked to the tiller? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #17 Posted April 11, 2023 If the rock shaft is a plate with notches on it, then yes. I use no other parts on the tractor. I know in the past it worked. It sounds like it wants to move or is moving except nothing moves. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 8,693 #18 Posted April 11, 2023 Up underneath the middle of the tractor there’s a cable that runs to the rear of the tractor. I can see one end of it in your picture. With the tractor running and the brake on actuate the lift lever and you should see the rockshaft underneath the tractor moving. That’s what the cable should be attached to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick3478 428 #19 Posted April 11, 2023 That hitch pin attaching the chain to the tiller isn't the way to do that. You should have a yoke there. And you may need to shorten up a link or two on the chain. But another thing occurred to me that may or may not be relevant - you didn't by any chance leave the mower lift arm on the tractor, did you? If that's pulled up tight against the bottom of the tractor, it won't let the lift move any farther. Tryin' to think inside and outside the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #20 Posted April 15, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 11:20 PM, Rick3478 said: That hitch pin attaching the chain to the tiller isn't the way to do that. You should have a yoke there. And you may need to shorten up a link or two on the chain. But another thing occurred to me that may or may not be relevant - you didn't by any chance leave the mower lift arm on the tractor, did you? If that's pulled up tight against the bottom of the tractor, it won't let the lift move any farther. Tryin' to think inside and outside the box. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2acrefarm 9 #21 Posted April 15, 2023 Got it working.Combination of things. Chain was in the wrong slot on the shaft. Chain was probably not the correct length. Thanks fellas, I love this tractor….. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites