I need HELP!!!

[Frank DeHaven 27]

I am asking for help!

I came across this wheel horse c-120 automatic. For some reason it was crying out please restore me.

So I got it for $100. I know nothing about it I have some numbers that I took pictures of that I will upload. Any information no matter how small that you could give me I would very deeply appreciate it. Thanks for your time.

 

 

[Pullstart 62,814]

 

We have a couple great resources here, a full manuals section and we have created some “new to the herd checklists” as well.  If you feel stumped, odds are someone has experienced it before.  

[Pullstart 62,814]

Here is the search result for everything “61-KS01“ as well.

[WHX?? 48,803]

Start by reading the manuals and understanding the basic operation of it. 

Does it start, run & drive? 

If you disassemble it take plenty of pictures. 

Have you restored tractors before?

[Frank DeHaven 27]

I'm looking for the manuals. I was hoping someone would tell me where I could download some free ones. I do not know if the motor runs. I've never took on a big restoration like this but as I said for some reason it just called out for me to restore it.

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,503]

[Pullstart 62,814]

36 minutes ago, Frank DeHaven said:

I'm looking for the manuals. I was hoping someone would tell me where I could download some free ones. I do not know if the motor runs. I've never took on a big restoration like this but as I said for some reason it just called out for me to restore it.

 

 

click the blue link in my  post or the next one, it’ll bring you to the manuals section.  You can search by year, model, model number, etc.  

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,037]

Welcome to the forum.

Here is everything we have for the 61-12KS01

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/search/?q=61-12ks01&quick=1&type=downloads_file

[Tractorhead 9,064]

1 hour ago, Frank DeHaven said:

I'm looking for the manuals. I was hoping someone would tell me where I could download some free ones. I do not know if the motor runs. I've never took on a big restoration like this but as I said for some reason it just called out for me to restore it.

 

 

you‘ll be best surrounded here for any Help and guidance

and if you restore it, it may takes lots of Time depending on depth of restauration,

but you don‘t regret.

 

 to 

[ebinmaine 67,343]

2 hours ago, Frank DeHaven said:

For some reason it was crying out please restore me.

They do that. 

I've seen it happen. 

 

 to the madness. 

 

 

Have fun. Take it apart. 

If you can tell the two ends of a wrench apart you'll be fine. 

 

 

[moe1965 737]

Be shur to release the toe valve so you don't cause damage to the trans not sure the location on that model but someone will be a long soon to point you in the right direction 

[Sailman 1,291]

My process is always to work on getting the 'ol horse running first. Make sure she starts and runs and has a good hydro transmission. Then you can pursue the restoration knowing you have something good to work with. I have 2 C-120's and think they are a great tractor. Used for mowing and pushing dirt and gravel. But mine end up as workers....no restoration. Have fun!

[WHX?? 48,803]

34 minutes ago, Sailman said:

My process is always to work on getting the 'ol horse running first. Make sure she starts and runs and has a good hydro transmission. Then you can pursue the restoration knowing you have something good to work.

[Achto 27,517]

 

A look through this section may give you even more inspiration.

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/forum/45-restorations-modifications-customizations/

Edited April 6, 2023 by Achto

[953 nut 55,128]

As you begin your C-120 journey please ask any questions you have before diving in. We have all made a few mistakes in our time and if we can save you some problems that is what we are all about. As @Sailman said, begin by seeing if the engine will run, if it won't we can help you troubleshoot it. Once it is running you can see if the transaxle has any issues and evaluate other functions.

Buy lots of penetrating oil and use it liberally. Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster and KR Oil are good ones.

As the disassembly begins take photos before and during the process. Put all the fasteners and small parts in zip lock bags along with notes you make about the process and the photo numbers.

[WHX?? 48,803]

Excellent suggestions Richard ... that's why asked him if he ever did any restos before.

[Frank DeHaven 27]

I can't thank everyone enough who has posted suggestions on where to get manuals and parts.

After throwing some penetrating oil on everything I tried to charge the battery with no luck. I did have a jumper pack on it and I got the starter too turn but it will not engage the motor. Is a starter rebuild something that I could do as a newbie or should I look to sourcing it out? I'm really not a mechanic I'm what I would call a YouTube mechanic. I'm all for trying it all but if it is something that a newbie would not be able to do I don't want to waste my time. Also if anyone could help the safety switch for the PTO is broken can I jump those wires somehow to see if I can get it to turn over after I get my starter fixed? Is there a way I can just do away with everything but the starter to try to get it to turn over and start? Sorry for all the dumb questions but I really want this to turn out nice

 

[ebinmaine 67,343]

56 minutes ago, Frank DeHaven said:

Sorry for all the dumb questions

There is no reason to apologize... Unless of course you stop asking questions.  

 

We're all born not knowing a single thing about these tractors (or anything else).  

 

 

You CAN clean up the starter yourself. 

 

 

There are good threads to help you. 

Can I find one ??

No. Of course not...

😂😂😂

[953 nut 55,128]

1 hour ago, Frank DeHaven said:

I did have a jumper pack on it and I got the starter too turn but it will not engage the motor.

If you put your fully charged jumper box red on the starter motor stud and touch the black jumper to the starter body will it turn over? Could be a bad battery cable or connection.

We have a tutorial on here about rebuilding a starter, not a hard job and various parts kits are available.

1 hour ago, Frank DeHaven said:

Sorry for all the dumb questions

I have always believed that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked.       Those can cost you money!

[WHX?? 48,803]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

There is no reason to apologize... Unless of course you stop asking questions.  

 

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

 

I have always believed that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. 

If the starter turns but does not engage the flywheel you may just have a dirty/stuck bendix. That's the little gear on the end of the starter motor. Pull the starter and check it out but do not lube it unless with a dry lube such as graphite or similar product.  

[Frank DeHaven 27]

Okay so I went and got a new battery and tried it (I had to start it by placing the hot wire from the battery onto the starter.)

But it did turn over! I can't tell you how happy that made me. Now I believe that it's going to need rewired it looks like a rat chewed on a lot of the wires and there's a lot of acorns in there. So now I'm just going to clean it up. Should I continue to rewire it and get a new solenoid or should I just start tearing it down so that I can clean it up and paint it?

I'm just not sure if I should get the engine completely running and then restore the rest of it or if I should mess around with the wiring, which I would have to remove when I go to take the engine off, this restoration stuff may look easy but I'm just a newbie at it and I'm trying to learn as I go. Everyone on YouTube makes everything look so easy. Okay gentlemen and ladies have a good week perhaps I'll be on here with more questions

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,343]

Many ways you could go here....... 

 

If it were me...???

 

Rewire it. 

ALL of it. 

Just rip all the old wiring out and don't even hesitate to do it. 

 

It's legitimately possible you don't even need a new solenoid or anything else...

 

Being new to the game I would advise that you get everything up and running first. Then take it apart to paint and restore.

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,503]

4 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Being new to the game I would advise that you get everything up and running first. Then take it apart to paint and restore

 

 

Make it run. Them make it pretty...

 

[kpinnc 11,942]

17 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Many ways you could go here....... 

 

If it were me...???

 

Rewire it. 

ALL of it. 

Just rip all the old wiring out and don't even hesitate to do it. 

 

It's legitimately possible you don't even need a new solenoid or anything else...

 

Being new to the game I would advise that you get everything up and running first. Then take it apart to paint and restore.

 

Nothing I can add to this! 

 

Maybe a 

 

And don't sweat the restoration. Fix it the way you want and enjoy it. Contrary to an ugly rumor, there is no such department known as the Tractor Police. There are no rules!

 

I've restored a couple, touched up others. But ALL of my tractors are workers, and that's what they were built for. If I wanted trailer queens I'd restore green stuff!

 

...No, actually I wouldn't for any reason restore green stuff. 

[Frank DeHaven 27]

I have looked everywhere for wiring diagram for my tractor. It is a 1976 wheel Horse c120 automatic and it has the Kohler 12 horse power engine.

Maybe I'm blinder I don't know how to read but I just can't seem to find it. I found one for a 74 but I'm not sure if it's the same. Any help that anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated. Again thanks everyone for all the help that you've been giving me every time I tinker with it and get something else working I have a big smile on my face.