Seal leaking

[Chrishar 544]

Have a k181 kohler the out put seal on the crankshaft is leaking oil I put a new seal in do they make a seal saver for it the crankshaft has a little grove in it help please and thank 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

@Achto

[ri702bill 8,318]

McMaster Carr has them - but - the depth is certainly greater than the length of the inserting tool. - They  call them Shaft Repair Sleeves, not exactly cheap at around $50 plus shipping... I did one once on a Saturn timing cover seal - worked just fine...

Edited February 7, 2023 by ri702bill

[ebinmaine 67,462]

Is there a way to purchase a different seal that would have the lip in a different location or perhaps a double lip versus single? Thereby changing the location where the seal rides on the crankshaft, avoiding the existing groove?

 

 

[Achto 27,570]

48 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Is there a way to purchase a different seal that would have the lip in a different location or perhaps a double lip versus single?

 

This is something that I would pursue.

[Wild Bill 633 845]

@Chrishar

I need the shaft diameter, housing bore and seal width to convert to either Timken/National of SKF/CR oil seals. Then I can look up available seal options in their catalogs.

[ri702bill 8,318]

I did a quick thumb thru on the McMaster site - the term "double lip" is misleading - it has the standard sealing lip in the same spot - the outermost is NOT a sealing surface, just a dust & dirt excluder - does not really enhance the ability to seal..... 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

2 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

I did a quick thumb thru on the McMaster site - the term "double lip" is misleading - it has the standard sealing lip in the same spot - the outermost is NOT a sealing surface, just a dust & dirt excluder - does not really enhance the ability to seal..... 

 

 

Careful how you read those Bill.

 

You're correct in the way that you state that.. 

 

BUT

 

the advantage of a double lip seal - can be -  but NOT always, that the inner sealing ring rides on a surface far enough away from the original one that it doesn't get caught in it.

 

 

[ri702bill 8,318]

Point well taken - but if the actual lip seal keeping the Barney-juice (or Barbie-juice) inside is in the same spot on the worn shaft.... net gain is zero.

Edited February 7, 2023 by ri702bill
had the wrong term for first type of oil

[ebinmaine 67,462]

46 minutes ago, ri702bill said:

Point well taken - but if the actual lip seal keeping the Barney-juice (or Barbie-juice) inside is in the same spot on the worn shaft.... net gain is zero.

Absolutely agreed.  

[Chrishar 544]

Do you have a parts number for the shaft repair sleeves 

[pfrederi 17,738]

Kohler I guess likes to keep secrets.  The Kohler part number for your seal is X-583-2-s.  SKF interchange can't find it neither can Timken (see pic).  To get a speedie sleeve you are going to have to know the dimensions so you could find a SKF equivilent (there may not be one)...and like ri702bill said the installation tool will most likely be to short to work.

 

 

[squonk 41,097]

My only guess. Remove the crank. Fill the groove with JB Weld and sand, sand, sand

[ebinmaine 67,462]

Is it a possibility to drive the seal in a little further than normal and/or flip it around backwards?

[squonk 41,097]

31 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Is it a possibility to drive the seal in a little further than normal and/or flip it around backwards?

Flipping the seal will not work. The lip is designed to work only in one direction