A pair of loaders

[c-series don 8,718]

My neighbor who is in his 80’s bought this bronco 14 brand new. The other day he drove it probably 3/4 of a mile to my house in the pouring rain. Reminded me of the Gordon’s fisherman in his full yellow rain gear ! He brought it over and asked me if I could figure out why it’s not charging ( I may need help with that?) and asked if I could find a replacement electric clutch as his is shot. I’ll be putting an add in the wanted section here. I had my loader out the other day to move and power wash some blade decks, so I took a few pictures. Hope you guys enjoy, I know you like pictures!! 

[ebinmaine 67,562]

Niiiiice.  

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, c-series don said:

He brought it over and asked me if I could figure out why it’s not charging ( I may need help with that?)

 

First thing to check is ALL GROUND CONNECTIONS.  

 

After that look at the ammeter. If it's dead the circuit is open so nothing flows through it.  

If you need an ammeter lemme know.  I'll send ya one.  

 

 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

13 minutes ago, c-series don said:

and asked if I could find a replacement electric clutch as his is shot. I’ll be putting an add in the wanted section here.

A loader is next on my bucket list, those are both BEAUTIFUL.

I have this on a parts tractor, all I know about it is it spins, wires look good, & I'll never use it. You can have it for shipping...

I can hook some juice to it tomorrow & see if it works...

 

[ebinmaine 67,562]

12 minutes ago, Blasterdad said:

this

Be aware there's a very particular procedure for removing them. 

I don't know it but have read it here somewhere.   

[Blasterdad 2,692]

I was curious & just hooked up a battery to it, no luck, ohmed it & coil is fried. sorry. 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Be aware there's a very particular procedure for removing them. 

I don't know it but have read it here somewhere.   

I've seen it too. 

It's pretty easy.

[c-series don 8,718]

@Blasterdad Holy cow ! Yes I’ll gladly pay the shipping, thank you so much! This gentleman says he’s wants to pay me for working on his tractor. I would never ever take a dime from him, as this is what I (oh and we ) love to do. Plus he’s just a genuinely nice guy. He really loves his tractor and I’m honored that he entrusts me to fix it. Once again Red Square brings nice people together. Thank you! 

[c-series don 8,718]

Is that something fixable or is it toast? 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

11 minutes ago, c-series don said:

Is that something fixable or is it toast? 

I was wondering the same thing, I can pull it tomorrow & look at the windings & clutch disk.

It might be just a bad connection, this poor girl sat out in the rain for 10 years I was told.

I would love to help out your neighbor, I wouldn't take a dime from him either!

I'll let you know what I find out about it tomorrow.  

Edited December 14, 2022 by Blasterdad
typo,s

[Bill D 1,922]

The charging issue may be affecting the clutch operation.  What exactly is shot on his clutch?  How is the loader even working if the clutch is shot?  What does the clutch coil read on an ohm meter?  Also check the engine stator for continuity with the engine off.  AC voltage should read about 40 volts with engine running.  You should have about 14 VDC on the B terminal on the voltage regulator.   Hopefully the flywheel hasn't lost a magnet. 

[WHGuy413 2,693]

2 great looking machines. Maybe someday I will stumble upon a loader. For now I guess I just use that green thing that lives next door when I need a loader.

[daveoman1966 3,752]

Here is the RIGHT way to remove that Electric PTO clutch.  DO NOT use any kind of wheel or hub puller...guaranteed FUBAR.  Even though it appears to be shot, it MAY be saved.  That is a pre-73 E-PTO and the thread in the middle of it I think is 7/8" x 9tpi.  In any case, here is the removal method.        

[953 nut 55,284]

For the charging issue locate the voltage regulator and do a couple voltage checks. With the key ON and engine not running there should be full battery voltage at the B+ terminal. If it is not there you will need to find the open circuit, perhaps a fuse. With the engine running at half to full throttle you should should read 36 Volts AC between the two outer terminals.

The Kohler manual in our reference section will be helpful.

[Blasterdad 2,692]

22 hours ago, c-series don said:

Is that something fixable or is it toast? 

 

22 hours ago, Blasterdad said:

I'll let you know what I find out about it tomorrow.  

 

This is what she looks like, the bearings & pulleys on the PTO seem okay, I'm going to have to soak the magnet with penatrant to see if I can get the cover off to get at the windings.

Depending on what's wrong with his & what I find out about the magnet you & your neighbor are welcome to it.

I'll get it soaking & let you know...

 

 

[pfrederi 17,741]

There are some TSBs about testing field coils. You may also want to look at this thread

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by pfrederi

[pfrederi 17,741]

Looking at your pic I do not think there i anything more you can take off the coil

[peter lena 8,632]

@Blasterdad  wanted to rebuild one of those , wide bearing side seal  is talking to me , grease upgrade , pete

[c-series don 8,718]

Oh my gosh, thank you guys for all your support with this! I truly appreciate it. I have a couple of other irons in the fire right now and cannot address this right now. I certainly will be back as soon as I can. Thank you all again!! 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

1 hour ago, pfrederi said:

Looking at your pic I do not think there i anything more you can take off the coil

The windings are covered with that thin metal plate with the slots in it, seems to be pressed in along the outer edge.

Soaking it to see if I can get it to pop out. 

 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

I got the cover off tonight, the black wire was broken at the winding connection, coil windings seem okay, getting a steady reading of 3.1 ohms.

Now for Sh*#'s & Giggles I'll clean it all up, repack the bearing to make @peter lena happy, rewire it & put it back together. 

 

 

 

[peter lena 8,632]

@Blasterdad   / @ @c-series don  ,  thanks for the shout . consider a repetitive  failure as  a step by step  opportunity to  eliminate / improve its function .  very often , that very area , becomes  consistently reliable , and very smooth / easy in its function . thats a bese line to my look at a problem ,  good going on that , pete 

[c-series don 8,718]

@Blasterdad I’m finally getting around to removing the clutch today. I can see the balls ready to fall out just looking at it, so I assume the bearing is shot. Plus it makes a heck of a noise when running and not engaged. I’ll gladly compensate you for your time and the clutch if you can fix yours. Does anyone know why it’s not bolted solid and has a pin with a cotter pin to keep it from spinning? 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

6 minutes ago, c-series don said:

I’ll gladly compensate you for your time and the clutch if you can fix yours.

 

No $ necessary, glad to help out you & your neighbor. 

 

7 minutes ago, c-series don said:

Does anyone know why it’s not bolted solid and has a pin with a cotter pin to keep it from spinning?

 

Short answer, just the way it works...Lol. 

[Handy Don 12,233]

4 hours ago, c-series don said:

Does anyone know why it’s not bolted solid and has a pin with a cotter pin to keep it from spinning?

I've always suspected that the play in the housing-to-bracket connection was to prevent stress on the housing-to-shaft bearing that a misaligned “bolt on” could easily cause. But I’m no expert on these!

[Bill D 1,922]

That setup makes it easier to change the belt.  Minimum tools required.