1973 No Names

[Kblack 12]

So I recently bought a 14hp automatic with the hydro lever in the center. I have seen where some of them had a side lever. Does anyone know why there are two styles? I’m not sure yet if the transmission are the same model or if they are different. Just very curious. 

[Pullstart 62,916]

I’m not familiar with those models, but 

 

[953 nut 55,324]

The automatic transaxles used from 1965 to 1980 were Sundstrand and have the center shift lever. Mid year 1980 the Eaton automatic transaxles began being used and the shifter was relocated.

[ebinmaine 67,657]

1 hour ago, Kblack said:

side lever

 

3 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

from 1965 to 1980 were Sundstrand and have the center shift lever

 

Methinks that depends on ones idea of a side or  center.....?

 

My 1975 C160 Automatic has a motion control lever I'd consider to be on the side.  

 

Circled in white ..

 

 

 

 

It certainly leads to the center, yes. 

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,657]

Are we perhaps thinking of GT14s vs smaller models? 

[squonk 41,158]

65 to 73 used Sunstrand hydro gear.GT 14 had the center control  Short framers like the 1075 had the speed control on the side , and I think the Chargers and Electro's . In 73 the no names switched to piston piston Sunstrands and had the center control. In 74 they all went to the side. 

Edited December 14, 2022 by squonk

[kpinnc 12,100]

1 hour ago, Kblack said:

14hp automatic

 

That's a very capable tractor. Direct successor to the 1971/72 Bronco 14- one of my personal favorites. Congratulations! 

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,602]

[TonyToro Jr. 1,454]

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[WHGuy413 2,707]

My bronco 14 is set up just like the one @ebinmaine has. It’s a 71. My 73 12 auto comes up from the middle and over the top of the center plate and over to the side. I believe this was a custom add on since I have seen another 12 auto with just a motion lever in the middle. 

[RandyLittrell 3,884]

1 hour ago, kpinnc said:

 

That's a very capable tractor. Direct successor to the 1971/72 Bronco 14- one of my personal favorites. Congratulations! 

 

 

 

 

 

Really like that tractor!!!

 

 

 

Randy

[Kblack 12]

Thank you. I have a hand full of hydros. Charger, Bronco, C-160, GT14 and now the 14. GT14 and the 14 auto are both center motion lever. So I’m guessing the 14 transmissions were the same but had different motion handle locations. The history on all of it is fascinating 

[Kblack 12]

3 hours ago, kpinnc said:

 

That's a very capable tractor. Direct successor to the 1971/72 Bronco 14- one of my personal favorites. Congratulations! 

 

 

That thing is beautiful! Double hydraulics. I like it 

[daveoman1966 3,752]

I had a 73 no-name 12hp Auto with the Motion control lever in the center of the hoodstand...like yours is. Its a PITA to operate...just awkward.  

So, after doin' a little digging, I was able to REMOVE that center lever and replace it with a right SIDE control lever.  I actuall did this with mine and for a friends 16hp Auto.  It involves: 1)pull out the original lever with friction components. 2)transfer those friction parts to the new side-control lever. 3)...MAYBE---   Trim a small slot out of the belt cover to accommodate the vertical side lever. 4)reinstall the new side lever, with fiction parts, in exactly the same place as the original lever.  DONE.  You'll need a side lever like this:  I have two of them. 

you MAY even consider swapping out the ENTIRE Hoodstand. 

NOTE the the side control lever is a WELDED assembly with the square BOX containing the friction parts.  

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by daveoman1966

[ebinmaine 67,657]

39 minutes ago, Kblack said:

Thank you. I have a hand full of hydros. Charger, Bronco, C-160, GT14 and now the 14. GT14 and the 14 auto are both center motion lever. So I’m guessing the 14 transmissions were the same but had different motion handle locations. The history on all of it is fascinating 

We'd love to see pics!!! 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

@Kblack,

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[rjg854 11,387]

I actually like the center position on my 16 Auto, right between my legs.  What I think I like the most about it, is that when you put it in Neutral, it doesn't creep like my C160 does.  And I have adjusted that lever many times, but after it idles for a while, it will tend to creep forward.

[Pullstart 62,916]

I’ve come accustomed to the side lever on Mrs. P’s “Frank” the custom 1073.  I find when work with the GT14, the muscle memory isn’t there yet.  This makes me wonder if I could adapt a side lever like @daveoman1966 has described above..  @19richie66?  Off the top of your head, what do you think?

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,657]

5 minutes ago, rjg854 said:

creep like my C160 does.  And I have adjusted that lever many times, but after it idles for a while, it will tend to creep forward

Agreed. I don't use my automatic much but when I do I've gotten in the habit of setting the brake every time I get off the tractor.  

[rjg854 11,387]

22 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

setting the brake every time I get off the tractor.  

You'll have to school me then, because as far as I know there is no brake to set, on my '76 C160

[19richie66 17,508]

32 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

I’ve come accustomed to the side lever on Mrs. P’s “Frank” the custom 1073.  I find when work with the GT14, the muscle memory isn’t there yet.  This makes me wonder if I could adapt a side lever like @daveoman1966 has described above..  @19richie66?  Off the top of your head, what do you think?

 

 

I wanted to run a side lever on Skittles but ran out if time to get it to the show that year. I just gutted a 418-A carcass so I have a full motion lever to mess with. After I get the D200 a roller, maybe I’ll give it a go. I have to take her back apart and finish painting her. Wouldn’t be hard to do. Just have to notch the top cover for a slot and maybe extend the lever out an inch to fit between the side plate and belt cover.

Edited December 14, 2022 by 19richie66

[ebinmaine 67,657]

11 minutes ago, rjg854 said:

You'll have to school me then, because as far as I know there is no brake to set, on my '76 C160

Brake might not be the right word. No brake drum. The lever in the middle above the transmission that disengages the belt and also locks the parking pawl on a gear inside the transmission.

Every time I stop and I'm going to get off the tractor I pull up on that lever to keep the machine in place. 

[Pullstart 62,916]

22 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

I wanted to run a side lever on Skittles but ran out if time to get it to the show that year. I just gutted a 418-A carcass so I have a full motion lever to mess with. After I get the D200 a roller, maybe I’ll give it a go. I have to take her back apart and finish painting her. Wouldn’t be hard to do. Just have to notch the top cover for a slot and maybe extend the lever out an inch to fit between the side plate and belt cover.

I have quite a bit of other GT14 parts too.  Not too hard to play around with stuff to see what works I s’pose

[rjg854 11,387]

30 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Every time I stop and I'm going to get off the tractor I pull up on that lever to keep the machine in place. 

Anytime I get off the tractor, I take it out of "gear"

[Handy Don 12,237]

2 hours ago, Pullstart said:

the muscle memory isn’t there yet

This is the reason we sought out a second tractor that would have the same console lever control as the camp tractor (520-H). Ended up with a 312-H.

Once you break the brake pedal (i.e. clutch) habit after switching from 8-speed to hydro, it's easier to have the controls be in the same places!

 

Still, someday I might look at better configuring the four controls you need when plowing snow so you have (steering, direction, lift, and angle). At the moment, those are all hand controls.

 

Switching to a pedal motion control puts that on a foot,

Steering stays with one hand.

The trick (as I think @ebinmaine has wondered) is how to combine the plow's lift and angle controls into a gloved or mittened one hand operation. I suspect the coolest would be a joystick lever with a button--fore/aft for lift, side-to-side for angle, and the button for releasing the angle lock*.

 

* lock only needed if using manual or electric actuator-enabled movement--hydraulic self-locks