1975 C160 Automatic Restoration

[ebinmaine 67,462]

37 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

To address lateral torque, you’d need to add diagonal bracing (e.g. from lower left of F-plate to right side of frame) and link the two braces where they cross each other in an X.

I can see that.  

Might happen that way....

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

IMHO, that reinforced and braced F-plate is adequate. The cracking of the F-plate doesn’t come only from frontal forces--it is from the frame being torqued and flexing the F-plate.

 

I agree with that particular point. 

My other concern is damaging the actual transmission case itself.  

Odds? Actual need of braces?

Well I dunno but likely pretty low.  

I'm just thinking where I'll be pushing a larger than designed plow (60" wide and twice the weight of the 42") I'd  buck up on the bracing too.   

 

 

[gt14rider 759]

Thanks for update 

[gt14rider 759]

On 12/25/2022 at 7:19 PM, ebinmaine said:

The Paint Department BBT Trina person has been VERY busy today. 

I'll get some pics of her work put up in a bit... She's still going.  

 

 

I got some great research work done. 

@WHX??

You wanted me to take pics if I tried free hand cutting an axle groove. 

Did some experimentation today on that. 

I struggled for quite a while trying to figure out how to make a straight line on the axle shaft with the tools I have.

Never really did figure that out...

 

One of the things I was going to try is making a row of holes with the drill press and then touching the bottoms with an end Mill bit. Following that, connect the drill holes with the Dremel.  

 

 

 

I tried using my old full size stand up drill press to start holes.

I kind of figured it would be next to impossible on a round surface.

Tiny drill bit. Total failure.

Larger drill bit, partial failure.

I put in a 3/8 drill bit even though I was only going to make a quarter inch groove figuring I could at least start the pattern.

That might have eventually been partially successful but the drill press I have just completely lacks accuracy.

The end Mill bit was beginning to cut and I think with the right drill press could be used with extreme caution.

 

 

That was not the answer....

 

 

 

A few weeks ago I had tried using a 4" angle grinder to cut a groove. I can see the principle but I'm just not steady enough anymore to be able to do that accurately.

 

I am however quite well steady enough to handle a Dremel.

A few days ago I picked up an assortment of cutting tools for a Dremel and today commenced to trying them out. Slow but sure, that was the way for me to do it.

 

I successfully FREE HAND cut two practice grooves in the bad axle shaft I have.

 

I started by hand laying a piece of tape on the axle shaft to use as a sight line. 

I used  a 1/16" thick cutting wheel to make a groove the full 2". 

Next I put a 1/4" wide groove at the end of the shaft (the width of the key stock.)

From there all I did is basically just keep grinding away and trying for fit all the way up through.

 

Time consuming? Yes. But a helluva lot shorter than the TWO MONTHS I was going to have to wait for a machine shop to do it.  And .. I spent about $15 or so on tools compared to a quote of $200+/--. 

 

Successful? Also yes.

They aren't exactly machine shop quality but I think they'll do just fine.

 

The quarter inch key stock is able to bite all the way through the hub now.

 

Here's a few pics of the first groove I cut.  

 

 

 

I got a atlas lathe given to me, needs some tlc but price was right. 

Messing around and looks like I can cut keyways with it. Need some scrape axles to practice on, but should work well

[ebinmaine 67,462]

56 minutes ago, gt14rider said:

Need some scrape axles to practice on, but should work well

I have several. At least half dozen. Things I've removed and things I got in a big parts pile a few years ago.

I'd be more than happy to send them to you and let you practice on them.

I'd be happy to either reimburse you for the work or let you keep a few for your own stock.

I have at least four of them that I need back. For my own stuff or Trina's. Certainly will be more after that.  

 

 

If you're interested, send me a PM and we can talk it over......

 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

This morning I used a 90⁰ steel pick to scrape the paint out of the area around the threads of the relief valve. 

Dripped a little Liquid Wrench Penetrating oil in there and walked away. 

Checked on it and sprayed it again 4 or 5 more times throughout the day.  

I was happy to see every time that there was less oil than I'd left. 

This evening I had Trina hold the pump assembly so I could work the valve back n forth... and eventually out.  

 

 

I got it cleaned up and tried this 7/16 nut on it. 

 

 

Might JB Weld that on there. 

 

 

In other news...

The transmission is now bolted to the frame. 

 

 

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

I finally got around to getting the oil pan cleaned up and bolted it on. 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting to see how different the color of the oil pan is to the engine block.  

Just from cleaning.

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see here the points cover was an orange one and not very solid. 

 

 

 

I took the cover off the maroon engine, cleaned it up and set it aside for this engine.  

The points gap on this engine was at .010!  A bit off.  

I've never had to remove or even adjust points yet. 

The ones in place were aged a fair amount so off they went.  

I put the points in place....

 

EDIT: 

I found a post by @pacer from the archives of many moons past. 

Thanks for this. 

 

 

 

 

Turns out I was letting the screw too loose (like me) 😃.  

The points wouldn't hold adjustment.  

 

All set now. They're around  .18 or .19. 

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by ebinmaine
ADDED/CHANGED INFO ABOUT POINTS ADJUSTMENT

[Horse Newbie 7,069]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Very interesting to see how different the color of the oil pan is to the engine block.  

Just from cleaning

Rub it down with WD-40… will really bring out the patina…

[ebinmaine 67,462]

47 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

Rub it down with WD-40… will really bring out the patina…

How bout we rub it down with acetone, then off white paint? 

[Horse Newbie 7,069]

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

How bout we rub it down with acetone, then off white paint? 

Sounds like a winner !

[ebinmaine 67,462]

Engine gaskets   

 

 

 

 

Points were NOS.... ish

 

 

 

[Handy Don 12,217]

4 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Points were NOS.... ish

 

That's a y2K problem. Those are September 1901 points. 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

Me an' the wire brush wheel, some chisels, scraping tools, etc... had some good quality time today.  

 

The gasket mount surfaces on the side of the engine block are cleaned up.  

 

 

Breather and its parts/layers are all cleaned as well. Also the cam cover and points cover. 

 

 

 

After several turns of the engine, 

Ignition points are verified at .020.  

Exhaust valve clearance was way too tight at .012. 

Adjusted that.  

 

Valve clearance verified at:

Intake. .008

Exhaust. .018

 

Today I learned:

How to adjust points.  

 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

[OutdoorEnvy 1,522]

Looking good!  It's always nice when you're are reassembly phase of a project.  Makes feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel! 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

12 minutes ago, OutdoorEnvy said:

Looking good!  It's always nice when you're are reassembly phase of a project.  Makes feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel! 

Absolutely agreed. 

I was thinking about that when putting this and some other things on.  

Almost a breath freeing feeling.  

🙂. 

 

 

[kpinnc 12,017]

On 1/22/2023 at 8:41 PM, ebinmaine said:

Today I learned:

 

That Kohler is looking sweet! 

 

But... Seeing it on that bench reminds me of the last one I took the grenade gears from. Makes my back hurt just thinking about moving it! 

Edited January 25, 2023 by kpinnc

[ebinmaine 67,462]

On 1/24/2023 at 8:09 PM, kpinnc said:

 

That Kohler is looking sweet! 

 

But... Seeing it on that bench reminds me of the last one I took the grenade gears from. Makes my back hurt just thinking about moving it! 

Not me no more!

 

I got this setup:

 

See post #49...

 

 

 

And if course there's my other half.  

😂😂

Edited January 28, 2023 by ebinmaine

[Blasterdad 2,692]

36 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Don't lose / forget the little round red spacer that goes on the breather cover bolt.

It holds the throttle cable out away from the throttle linkages.... 

Looking Good!  

Edited January 25, 2023 by Blasterdad

[ebinmaine 67,462]

2 minutes ago, Blasterdad said:

Don't lose / forget the little round red spacer that goes on the breather cover bolt.

It holds the throttle cable out away from the throttle linkages.... 

Looking Good!  

 

Oooo. Thanks. 

I'll find it around here.  

Luckily I have the K341 on Cinnamon Horse C160 for reference material.   

 

[kpinnc 12,017]

I got one of those Harbor Fright mini crane hoist thingys still in the box. I plan to make it work like Don's @Lee1977 did on his tractor. It's pictured below.

 

I'm also thinking of adding a 2 inch reciever on my welding table so I can use it to lift things up onto it. I made the table nice and tall without thinking how bleeping heavy some of the stuff I work on is getting. I'm not old or anything, it's just I now believe that climate change has affected gravity... 

[Lee1977 6,658]

1 minute ago, kpinnc said:

I got one of those Harbor Fright mini crane hoist thingys still in the box. I plan to make it work like Don's @Lee1977 did on his tractor. It's pictured below.

 

I'm also thinking of adding a 2 inch reciever on my welding table so I can use it to lift things up onto it. I made the table nice and tall without thinking how bleeping heavy some of the stuff I work on is getting. I'm not old or anything, it's just I now believe that climate change has affected gravity... 

That crane is gets heavy putting it in a 2" receiver. 

[Blasterdad 2,692]

Sorry, was having a moment,  you have it right, the spacer is for the bolt hole UNDER the breather for the linkages...

[ebinmaine 67,462]

1 minute ago, Blasterdad said:

Sorry, was having a moment,  you have it right, the spacer is for the bolt hole UNDER the breather for the linkages...

No worries brother man.  

I have moments. 

ALL of em. 

[ebinmaine 67,462]

Trina an' I teamed up to finish getting the engine scraped off and cleaned up so she could paint it. 

 

Post clean/pre painting. 

 

 

 

 

 

Action video:

 

 

 

First coat:

 

 

 

 

Second coat:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lee1977 6,658]

I though you said it was going to be painted off white. It's OK, you didn't say how far off.