Jeff-C175 7,199 #26 Posted November 12, 2022 I'm at camp with the others that say the price is on the 'wish' side. The hours are on the high side. I would probably be comfortable going maybe as high as 1500 for it. Even that would be pushing it, but it does have nice chrome hubcaps! and a really comfortable aftermarket seat (I've got the same one on the C-125 I picked up last year for a LOT LOT less money!) I'm curious about something though... why would someone paint the INTERIOR of the engine? That makes zero sense to me... 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,168 #27 Posted November 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said: I'm curious about something though... why would someone paint the INTERIOR of the engine? Me too @Jeff-C175 - that sounds weird -- and I think I would be concerned with the hot oil splashing on it would likely cause flaking/disolving and ..... well, not so good! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #28 Posted November 12, 2022 I definitely agree with Jeff... that price is on the high side of things. As a 418-8... it is a great machine though... My observation, however small, is that the front tires do not match the rear. If I'm going to pay that much money for a machine... it needs to be pristine. Judging from the half-painted shifters... (half red, half black) that is a sign that this machine may not have been completely disassembled... and 'ground up' restored... so there could be hiding vulnerabilities... I'd be interested in seeing more in-depth pictures of the machine, underneath around the transmission area... under the mowing deck, etc. It would be nice to know if it has a new shifter boot, new gear oil, if the pulley bearings have been packed... if it has new mowing blades... things like that... On a positive note... GOSH that's a beautiful machine!!!! Just my Welcome to Redsquare! Don 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,711 #29 Posted November 12, 2022 @WV_Crusader I sent you a PM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WV_Crusader 32 #30 Posted November 12, 2022 Thank you all, and yes I agree about the front tires not matching and lack of detail on the said resto. The more I look at this the more I’m down to like 1700 max and because of you all’s great advice I’m learning tons I never would have thought of before! 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RED-Z06 2,220 #31 Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Snoopy11 said: I definitely agree with Jeff... that price is on the high side of things. As a 418-8... it is a great machine though... My observation, however small, is that the front tires do not match the rear. If I'm going to pay that much money for a machine... it needs to be pristine. Judging from the half-painted shifters... (half red, half black) that is a sign that this machine may not have been completely disassembled... and 'ground up' restored... so there could be hiding vulnerabilities... I'd be interested in seeing more in-depth pictures of the machine, underneath around the transmission area... under the mowing deck, etc. It would be nice to know if it has a new shifter boot, new gear oil, if the pulley bearings have been packed... if it has new mowing blades... things like that... On a positive note... GOSH that's a beautiful machine!!!! Just my Welcome to Redsquare! Don I dont fret mismatches on tires myself, as long as the fronts match and the rears match. I need my fronts to have good side bite and rears to have good tractive grip, different styles behave differently. My 416 has The oem front and rears...great grip pulling but absolutely trash up front, they skid in turns. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RED-Z06 2,220 #32 Posted November 12, 2022 I wonder why the magnum had to be rebuilt so early in life..they are robust engines that usually go 2000+ hours between engine outs 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #33 Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said: I dont fret mismatches on tires myself Oh, neither do I... just something that I noticed on the machine... worthy of mention to the OP! 8 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said: I wonder why the magnum had to be rebuilt so early in life Or WAS it. Honestly, without photographic evidence of engine rebuilding... we have every reason to be cynical... (not calling anyone a liar... just being cautious)... Don 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #34 Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, WV_Crusader said: front tires not matching The rears are likely original "Turf Savers" and the front appear newer and likely "Turf Masters". Both likely Carlisle. I have the Masters on mine, they are 4 ply. As I recall, the Savers are 2 ply. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WV_Crusader 32 #35 Posted November 12, 2022 Yes I don’t know why but those Turf Savers always looked better to me lol 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #36 Posted November 12, 2022 3 hours ago, WV_Crusader said: I’m down to like 1700 max Sounds like a reasonable max. I do think you could secure it for less than that though!!! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #37 Posted November 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, WV_Crusader said: Yes I don’t know why but those Turf Savers always looked better to me It would be an easy and relatively inexpensive switch, if you were so minded. I have changed my own fronts on... 3 tractors now, I think... with great success. Rather cheap too when you buy them from somewhere like Amazon or Walmart.com!!! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RED-Z06 2,220 #38 Posted November 12, 2022 At least they sprung for the 48" deck vs the insanely common 42" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WV_Crusader 32 #39 Posted November 13, 2022 I’ve always been a fan of the rear discharge deck but that’s what I grew up with until dad bought a bagger then we swapped depending on the season we was mowing. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davem1111 2,030 #40 Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) That is a beautiful looking tractor. 1099.5 hours seems pretty high if the engine has never been rebuilt or bushings, bearings, etc. not replaced. I'd be concerned about mechanical parts being worn out or close to it. One owner though, he probably did regular maintenance and kept it inside and well lubricated. Personally, having two 8-speeds here that I'm working on and one that I gave to @Snoopy11, I am not a big fan of the 8-speed and prefer the hydro's, especially the Eaton 1100's. Make sure you drive it around a bit in every gear and make sure it doesn't make weird noises or pop out of gear. The 1989 416-8 I have pops out of gear in 2nd periodically, but you have to drive it around a bit to notice. Fixing something like that can be pretty involved (so I'm told). [Edit to add:]. Oh, also make sure the deck runs smoothly and quietly, and the spindles aren't "sloppy". Ask when the last time the blades were taken off. I don't think it's the case with the tractor you're looking at - as long as the "non-visible" wear and tear isn't significant, but watch out for what the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" brings to mind. Edited November 13, 2022 by davem1111 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 11,922 #41 Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 9:11 AM, WV_Crusader said: Sorry hours are 1099.5 If the engine has been completely rebuilt as part of the restoration, then those hours don't mean much. Especially true for an 8-speed. If not, then the asking price is massively inflated. If the engine is still original, then 1100 hours is high. While a Kohler is certainly able to last more than that, you're getting into the golden years for sure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #42 Posted November 15, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 9:26 AM, davem1111 said: I am not a big fan of the 8-speed Well, while it may have looked rough on the outside... you gave me the 8 speed that worked... Mine shifts like it is brand new... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davem1111 2,030 #43 Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Snoopy11 said: Well, while it may have looked rough on the outside... you gave me the 8 speed that worked... Mine shifts like it is brand new... Don Hah! As @Pullstart would say, "No Regerts" The one I ended up keeping does pop out of 2nd gear, but I didn't know that at the time, since it was full of water and I hadn't drained or tested it yet. And I really like seeing what you've done with that tractor - makes me proud. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,697 #44 Posted November 15, 2022 @WV_Crusader Ask to see some pictures of the Restoration process. If someone puts that much work into a full restoration, there will be pictures. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,800 #45 Posted November 15, 2022 https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/painting-the-inside-of-an-engine-block.171357/ I know of a few transmissions (Wheel Horse) that have been painted inside. Helps promote the oil drainage back to the sump, keeps rust buildup down, etc. Yes, water by means of condensation can build up inside an engine block. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #46 Posted November 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Pullstart said: https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/painting-the-inside-of-an-engine-block.171357/ I know of a few transmissions (Wheel Horse) that have been painted inside. Helps promote the oil drainage back to the sump, keeps rust buildup down, etc. Yes, water by means of condensation can build up inside an engine block. Snake oil works too. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #47 Posted November 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Pullstart said: https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/painting-the-inside-of-an-engine-block.171357/ I know of a few transmissions (Wheel Horse) that have been painted inside. Helps promote the oil drainage back to the sump, keeps rust buildup down, etc. Yes, water by means of condensation can build up inside an engine block. I am well affiliated and acquainted with racing engines and re-manufactured engines of a wide variety and a few variety of Ford racing transmissions. Needless to say... I have never... nor will I ever... paint or recommend that someone else paint the inside of an engine or transmission of a car, tractor, or any other machine. Read BogiesAnnex1's comment in that thread, Kevin... 3 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said: Snake oil works too. Most people say... if you want oil to flow better, use a lower viscosity and better quality oil. I'm off to paint my grill grates with Rustoleum so the food comes off easier... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,800 #48 Posted November 15, 2022 Noted. I’ll keep the oil pump out of the next K series or 8 speed I build. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #49 Posted November 15, 2022 Well, while you have the imaginary pumps out... you have prime opportunity to paint them... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjoemie himself 3,068 #50 Posted November 15, 2022 @Snoopy11 or other.. why is it that all manufacturing machines like drillpresses, cnc-lathes and mills are painted on the inside? Especially in the gearboxes. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
