Evguy 556 #26 Posted October 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: BBBBBAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA I wish I would have known that when I paid for the 718-Z. I paid 45$ to Paypal just to send you payment fa' 'dat machine!!! Don I don’t recall discussing it, but now have 1099 coming apparently 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evguy 556 #27 Posted October 26, 2022 13 hours ago, grinchsr said: Hi Eric I have been using Paypal probably 15 years with no problems. I would think that most on line buyers and sellers have Paypal over some of the other ones. I have used paypal for probably over 20 for feebay transactions with no issues 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #28 Posted October 27, 2022 With Zelle being associated with the large banks one would think their level of protection would be equal to PP? Fraud I've experienced on PP is getting fake invoices. Usually for a windows product I didn’t order and usually accompanied by a email. Tip... check the senders email address. Clearly from a phisher. Reported to PP but seems to fall on deaf ears. Watch out guys. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,214 #29 Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, WHX?? said: Reported to PP but seems to fall on deaf ears Nothing they can do about emails sent by scammers. I don't use PayPal and still get those emails--it's a shotgun approach that can work when it hits an unwary PayPal user who can think its relevant. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #30 Posted October 28, 2022 8 hours ago, Handy Don said: Nothing they can do about emails sent by scammers. Not buying that Don. They should have the ability to analyze and track bogus invoices as reported by users. My phone can do that. I guess what I am saying is I have several bogus invoices I can't seem to let them know about or have them deleted from my account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,214 #31 Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, WHX?? said: Not buying that Don. They should have the ability to analyze and track bogus invoices as reported by users. My phone can do that. I guess what I am saying is I have several bogus invoices I can't seem to let them know about or have them deleted from my account. Yes, they can record and track stuff that they get from users/account holders. But then what? They cannot prevent the scammers from plastering the internet with numerous variations of the same message (Google and other mail services have sophisticated machine-learning-trained spam detection but it isn't foolproof and the spammers are also using sophisticated tools to create and deliver the crap). They cannot shut down the senders because spammers open and close email accounts like using Kleenex. A hack account may exist for only a few minute and send tens of thousands of messages. About half of global spam email originates in the United States! They cannot trust the "sender" name and address on the emails because these are nearly always "spoofed" or are transient accounts that will be open for only a few hours or a day. They can track the "target" email or server (the one to which the unsuspecting user replies or clicks or sends money), but those servers are nearly always in highly uncooperative or ill-policed jurisdictions (think Lithuania, Latvia, Serbia, Ukraine and Russia). The domain names also live for only short periods and get moved constantly among different service providers. It is an amazingly complex game of whack a mole. If what you have are actual invoices appearing in you account that have cost you money, then they can (and should) be investigated and cleared but the immediate question is how did they get there? Did you authorize the user? Or are these requests for funds that you will not honor? Attempting to automate the removals, well, the risk of removing something somewhere that should not be removed is probably great enough to put the kibosh the attempt. p.s. I worked for a time in systems for a leading international money transfer company and engineering defenses, as well as warnings to users of potential risks, was a constant, expensive, and stress-laden task. Testing our defenses sufficiently to satisfy ourselves that they worked without causing any harm or disruptions killed a lot of seemingly great ideas that couldn't survive the real world. Edited October 28, 2022 by Handy Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #32 Posted October 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Handy Don said: They cannot shut down the senders because spammers open and close email accounts like using Kleenex Yes I forget about that 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
