Tires without inner tubes

[Lman 14]

What's the best way to get old Carlisle Turf-Safe tires that don't have an inner tube to stick to the rims better so they can be inflated? Front wheels are in rough shape, rim edges are corroded in places, paint flaking off. I can clean them up a bit, but I can't really afford getting the rims sandblasted, doing a repaint and getting new tires. Would it be an option to buy some inner tubes? Then it doesn't matter if the seal between the tire and the rim isn't airtight. Can the valve of the tubeless tires be extracted from the wheel for later use without damaging them and if so, which way would they come out easiest?

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Lman

[AMC RULES 37,132]

Ratchet strap.

[kpinnc 12,101]

Most tire shops have a bead sealer similar to the pic below. They should be able to do it fairly cheap, and will use sealer on the beads as well.

 

That being said, the ratchet strap definitely works. Just be careful. There tends to be a whole lotta pressure on that strap when you break it loose.

Edited October 22, 2022 by kpinnc

[Snoopy11 5,714]

1 hour ago, Lman said:

Would it be an option to buy some inner tubes?

Absolutely. Depending on what size you need though... they can get expensive.

 

Some old tires don't like to seat... spraying starter fluid around the bead area and lighting it on fire with a lighter is an option if all else fails. I don't really recommend this very often... as if you don't have experience doing it... it can be intimidating.

 

Generally, you cannot remove valves without breaking them. As cheap as valves are... you should just invest in new ones.

 

My last suggestion might be to try some sealant to go into your tires to help them hold air if you have VERY slow leaks. I have had people tell me that slime and other sealants are great for old rims when they have slow leaks. I haven't ever tried it myself though...

 

@ebinmaine... you have any more suggestions?

 

EDIT... I lied...  or... at least I forgot that I used Tireject on my LX176 tires that had rather stubborn slow leak issues around the bead area. (The beads themselves seated... but the rims were a little dimpled from rust on the inside). I have never had an issue with those tires since injecting them... and I've literally never inflated them again since injecting them.

 

Don

Edited October 22, 2022 by Snoopy11

[SylvanLakeWH 25,602]

Inner tubes work.

I would not reuse valves.

I have Discount tire do my new tires. Cheap, easy, they dispose of tires...

[Snoopy11 5,714]

4 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Inner tubes work

Not only do they work... but if you use them... you don't have to worry about the valves...

 

Don

[ebinmaine 67,657]

@Lman. 

 

 

We put in tubes in ALL our new or remounted tires now.  

 

[Snoopy11 5,714]

6 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

We put in tubes in ALL our new or remounted tires now

You got a particular brand that you are partial to?

 

Don

[ebinmaine 67,657]

21 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

You got a particular brand that you are partial to?

 

Don

Not anymore.  

Even the name brands are imported.  

I just try to find Heavy Duty if possible.  

[953 nut 55,324]

5 hours ago, Lman said:

What's the best way to get old Carlisle Turf-Safe tires that don't have an inner tube to stick to the rims better so they can be inflated? Front wheels are in rough shape, rim edges are corroded in places, paint flaking off. I can clean them up a bit, but I can't really afford getting the rims sandblasted, doing a repaint and getting new tires.

From the sound of it your tires are on the rim but will not remain inflated and you want to temporarily use the until the time comes to buy new tires and clean up the rims.

If this is the case I have used silicone adhesive caulk on the tire beads of old tires I just want to use for a roll-around tire. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

11 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

silicone adhesive caulk on

 

Or "bead sealer".

[kpinnc 12,101]

4 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

We put in tubes in ALL our new or remounted tires now.  

 

I went to put two tubes in last week. One rear tire on two worker tractors that leak down due to sidewall cracks.

 

Local mower shop quoted $37 each FOR TUBES!!  

 

My tires are still leaking until I find something cheaper.  

[ebinmaine 67,657]

8 hours ago, kpinnc said:

 

I went to put two tubes in last week. One rear tire on two worker tractors that leak down due to sidewall cracks.

 

Local mower shop quoted $37 each FOR TUBES!!  

 

My tires are still leaking until I find something cheaper.  

Ouch!!

 

The fleeeBay has em for about half that.  

 

I'll PM you a link if ya like.  

 

 

[ri702bill 8,347]

As Eric said, tubes are the way to go. A bonus - IF you plan on fluid filling any of the tires - you are all ready....

Bill

[Pullstart 62,916]

On 10/22/2022 at 4:59 PM, SylvanLakeWH said:

I have Discount tire do my new tires.

 

 

On 10/22/2022 at 9:45 PM, kpinnc said:

Local mower shop quoted $37 each FOR TUBES!!  

 

I’m a firm believer in buying a tool up front to save me in the long run.  I understand there are space constraints here and there, but if at all possible to stick a Harbor Freight bead breaker / tire changer, It’ll pay for itself in one tractor.  

[kpinnc 12,101]

9 hours ago, Pullstart said:

Harbor Freight bead breaker / tire changer, It’ll pay for itself in one tractor.  

 

Agreed 100%.

 

One of the few cheaper tools that actually work. I love mine.

[Heatingman 971]

The tire stem should be replaced. You can order a tire stem tool and some stems cheap on Amazon. Maybe 10 bucks. 
 

If the rim is bad, just get some tubes. 
 

But,
 

In lieu of a bead blaster;

To seat beads, take the valve core out of the stem, and use an air chuck that will clip into place.

 

while holding the air on, bounce the tire up and down, and change the point of bounce on the tire, IE rotate and bounce.

 

once the bead takes, fill to 10 psi or so, remove the air hose and insert the core, then pressurize to proper fill. 

This is the type of air chuck I use:

 

 

 

[John2189 454]

Will slime or fix a flat seal leaking beads?  I have a tubeless that bead leaks. Tried several times to clean up the rim, even though it isn’t that pitted but still leaks 

[ebinmaine 67,657]

14 minutes ago, John2189 said:

Will slime or fix a flat seal leaking beads?  I have a tubeless that bead leaks. Tried several times to clean up the rim, even though it isn’t that pitted but still leaks 

It's your own tractor and your decision.  

Fix it right. 

Fix it once. 

Use a tube.  

 

Please don't use that muck. 

It was only ever meant to be a temporary stop gap repair to get your vehicle to a proper tire shop.  

It's messy. 

When you get the chance to repair the tire the right way by adding a tube you'll be glad you didn't fill the wheel with gunk.    

[John2189 454]

8 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

It's your own tractor and your decision.  

Fix it right. 

Fix it once. 

Use a tube.  

 

Please don't use that muck. 

It was only ever meant to be a temporary stop gap repair to get your vehicle to a proper tire shop.  

It's messy. 

When you get the chance to repair the tire the right way by adding a tube you'll be glad you didn't fill the wheel with gunk.    

Ok thanks. I have to air up every time I mow. I’ll put a tube in it. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

messy

 

And if and when you ever dismount the tire, wear a scuba tank because the smell could knock a buzzard off a 5h1t wagon!  Most God awful thing I ever smelt!

[lynnmor 7,308]

I don't use tubes for two reasons; flats caused by thorns or other punctures can be plugged quickly and easily, road salt will get in around a tube stem and will also cause more rusting at the bead.  I would consider tubes for my tractors only if there were no puncture hazards and if I didn't have exposure to road salt.

[ebinmaine 67,657]

57 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

the smell could knock a buzzard off a 5h1t wagon! 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

23 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

I don't use tubes

I may have tubes in one or two of my yellow and white machines, which are my workers,  but I restored both my Wheel Horses, a 1994 520H, and a 1984 Work Horse GT-1600… since they have been restored they run tubeless like they come from the factory. I can’t contaminate my pure blood horses with non-factory options. 

… except for the non factory taillights on the Work Horse, but I ain’t counting that…

[John2189 454]

17 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

And if and when you ever dismount the tire, wear a scuba tank because the smell could knock a buzzard off a 5h1t wagon!  Most God awful thing I ever smelt!

Ok I just got what 5h1t is.   LOL