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The 857 was my Dad's and I think it was his go to horse. I like that the hood lifts up, unlike the Round Hoods that use the thumb screws. The 8 hsp Kohler will start just by looking at it and will run all day on a tank of gas. Cornering is hard to beat...almost zero turn. This tractor has not been OSHA'd yet...easy wiring and electrical maintenance, and no fuses everywhere. I really like the rear discharge 36" mower decks for these horses...gear driven. And I pick up more chicks riding around the block with this horse, and any of the others that I have...it is a chick magnet.

Reliant Robin. Unsafe at any speed. This is good right to the end. And take your car to work day.

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I got the transmission put back together, the seat back support bracket made. The hood is almost ready for paint and the seat back support needs a little more work before paint. The only parts used of the original transmission was the axles, 1 gear, and the shifter rails. My son had a transmission torn apart that had longer axles and a different drive gear.

I might as well throw the wrench in this. The guys above are correct...but if you want a really easy starting, better gas efficiency and sharper turning...with all of the above and about a 4" shorter frame...you want a short frame. square hood. 1965, 1966, 1967. My B-100 is sitting out the winter in the garage while my 876 and 857 are doing snow duty this winter. The 8 hsp Kohler has plenty of power to tackle any chore. If there is a down side, they do not have the 8 speed transmission, but the hydro solves that issue. Of course...there is no issue when you have one of each.

Pretty much what Dennis said is what I was going to say. But if you are looking for something simple to service, powerful enough to cut grass, push snow, and other chores, and is a good looking rig, you can't beat the 1976 or 1977 B-100 or C-120 8-speeds. And it is all metal!

Didnt know how else to post these pics of my tractor so im trying it here.. Except the seat which im getting a new one in spring these seem to always rip.. A cloth one this time, but anyway this is my baby !! The cloth in front of the engine is a heating pad to keep the engine warm,, it is 3 degrees right now so have to keep her warm and snuggly !!

Does look pretty cool...

Boy! This is going to be fun and take a bit of time but others will chime in and help. Just a quick comment or two: For the longest time I thought the B series was just a smaller than the C series tractor. Nope! The early Bs, like the B-60 & B-80s were the same frame as the Cs but without some options. Later the Bs went to vertical engines, weaker trannies and were no longer really a garden tractor. Indeed the D's are big boy tractors but also keep a keen eye out for 953s, 1054s, GT-14s, C-195s and the newer 5XIs! The C, 300s, 400s and 500 (not the 5XIs!) are the same frame sizes and have plentiful choices of attachments, unlike the more limited D series and the 5XIs. If I had to limit myself to one WH I would cry, but then I might oddly enough look for one I don't even have! The GT-14s and C-195s have become very appealing to me! Oh my 5XIs are bigger and in several ways better, newer and more advanced but the larger wheels, more common attachments (though some are different!) and 3 pt hitches are really desirable! Realize that a big book would need to be written to fully address your short question!

I have been fascinated with the Titanic since I was a little kid. The thought of someone looking to profit off the loss of the Titanic and so many lives is sad and disrespectful. What makes it even sadder is that its being built in china. Out of respect to all those who died I could never purchase a ticket, not too mention I think that maiden voyage would be just way too sad.

Dennis, I actually think that attachments for the short frames are more abundant, and more reasonable then the long frame attachments. Don't forget, all the Round Hood, front engine stuff fits the short frames also. As far as desirable...the 1965/1966/1967 horses are all pretty much the same. You can find them with a Tecumseh 6 hsp on some models though. Personally, I would shy away from the Teckys, but they are more rare and therefore more collectible. The 857 is my favorite, and they seem to be plentiful.

New event for the Big Show!

Man I better get packing. Don't want to miss the show

This would come in handy for moving stuff around the shop. http://www.makinex.com.au/products/powered-hand-truck

I promise the love theme won't be here too long, but it's here now. If pink isn't your thing, click the "Theme" link at the bottom of the screen and select RedSquare. Hope you and your loves have a wonderful Valentines Day, and STAY WARM!

Oh no...somebody wouldn't let me work on it till the shoulder doctor said so. Now just got to lite a fire under the guy's a$$ that was supposed to do some valve work on the Clinton. I'm sure it will be ready for the big show

...or, maybe one strategically placed dino... for that really slippery stuff. Anyone know where to find a big dinosaur we can use for ballast?

That pooch didn't look like he/she offered too much weight to help traction. Now my beagle on the other hand.......

Craig, I have used concrete blocks and scrap steel as weight box filler, never thought of using a dog.

So, when Valentines day is over will this turn from pink to RED?

back when i was a kid i was driving my dad's D200 down the driveway when the infamous pinon bolts snapped and came out through the bottom of the housing. now the tractor had the cast iron 50 lbs wheel weights and 180 lbs of calcium in each rear wheel. dad called his dealer and he came down and picked up that D200 and loaded it in the back of a Datsun pickup, when he pulled out of the drive the rear bumper was all but touching the ground, lucky for him he only had to go about 9 miles up the road. the 1 st three pictures are of the tractor the day i dug it out of it's 19 year storage and the last 2 were taken last year eric j

Here's a up date on the 633 I was able to fix the dash tower up had to weld sum craks and straighten out sum bent areas in it patched the hole buy the shiftier with sum exspanchen metal so it will match the hood also was able to get the lift handle straightened out i'm pretty sure this horse has been rolled over at sum point

Every Holiday my kids look over my shoulder as I log into Red Square in anticipation of a different theme.....All three of them are Wheel Horse and Red Square Nuts!! And My Girls really love the "Pink Look" this year . Thank You!

The GT-14 was made between 1970-1973, Kohler did not introduce the 16hp k341 until very late in 1973 for the 1974 model years, so the first Wheel Horse to carry a k341 was a 1973 or 1974 14 Automatic, then the C-160. The GT-14 weighs in at around 840 lbs while the C series tips the scales at around 650 ponds. The difference between the two engines is not enough to effect the capabilities of the GT-14 in the least, if it would they would not have made a C-140, or any other brand of 14 hp garden tractor. A properly running 14 hp k321 is just as capable as a k341, and while the k341 does offer a little more hp to "muscle" through tough plowing and mowing jobs, it is still affected by same laws of physics when stressed as the k321. The Power King tractor used the k321 for many years as did many, many other brands without a any reduced capabilities. Remember this, many of these stout machines started with 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 hp engines and proved very capable. BTW, my Kohler k341 D160 weighs 900lbs and is more than capable.

so I got some time this weekend(not a lot due to honey do list)and I finally got to fab up a few recivers for my c160,s once you have a 2 inch receiver the skys the limit to what you can put back there,anything that can be welded or bolted to a 2 inch piece of square tube,i know we have a member that makes these and I can tell you his price is very fair,as theres a lot of work to fab these up,i made mine with the rear attachmatic for plows and tillers,ill paint it in the spring

I would like to see the fuel pump and carb tear down and re build.

Still waiting on the rebuild kit to send it off to the machine shop hopefully i can do this this week. Didnt get mich done today just working on the little things. I rebuilt the starter generator (no pics) and I cleaned the head. Here it is all dirty and carboned up, note the spider cob webs between the fins these will definitely slow down the cooling. After scraping most of the carbon 0ut I used a small wire wheel in the drillto clean up all the old carbon. If you don't have a wheel like this a small wire brush and some carb cleaner will work just fine. I blasted the head to clean it up, note the broken fins, I don't think the missing chunks will cause any problems so in going to use it. When I blasted the head I tried to avoid the combustion chamber area. We use and aggressive blasting media and the pitting inside the chamber would cause carbon deposits to stick. Next is to surface sand the head,I have read some people using a peice of glass for a smooth surface, I have a 12x12 granite tile you can pic these up at any home improvement store, a sheet of 600 grit wet dry sandpaper, and some glass cleaner. Wet the paper and the head with the cleaner and move the head in a circular or figure 8 pattern with a light to moderate pressure. After a minute of sanding I wiped off the head to reveal the high and low spots. A plus to not blasting this surface the the dirt/carbon shows the low spots. Note the high areas are starting to shine. After a few minutes of sanding I think this head is true flat again note the dark low spots are gone. I beleive when you build these motors every little detail counts. This is a little detail but it could be the difference in an okay sealing head gasket and a perfect seal. Here it is ready for install. I plan to rebuild the fuel pump and carburetor because this one will be a worker. Just curious if anyone wants to see those teardowns in this thread or leave them out. Please input.

Here's a few pics Serial number is 3114k802. 20497 The guy I bought it from was selling it for his father. He said his dad bought it new in 77 or 78. Just don't think it's that old. Anyway of finding out

Aldon, I've been thinking about your statement of your situation removing your hubs. Reflecting on that, I would say you were at a distinct mechanical disadvantage trying to remove hubs with the wheels (front wheels included) off the machine and the entire tractor frame on jack stands. Decidedly so. You were essentially operating on stilts. I have my rear on two 3 ton stands and the front wheels are on the ground and chocked. Having the front end on the ground improved my leverage because I had something stable to work against. I can assure you the way my hubs were stuck, I needed every advantage of leverage I could muster. If I understand how you finally got your hubs removed with the hydraulic puller, I can now understand why you had to resort to the purchase and use of that specialized tool to achieve your goal of pulling the hubs. It's still a handy/dandy tool to have around however, and I'm sure you'll find other specialized uses for it. If your front end had been on the ground, I'm guessing you could have done what I did with more common, readily available tools. Another advantage I probably enjoyed was other than the rear wheels being removed, my tractor is complete....tranny, engine, front weighed grill, and all the body work, even the mower deck is still mounted. The GT 14 weighed 840# new. I may have eliminated 40-50 pounds taking off the rear wheels. I had a lot of mass in place while pulling my hubs, while you had very little. And what mass you did have, was up in the air on stilts (jacks). If I had been you, attempting what you were doing, I definitely would have lost my cool. You found a work around though (the hydraulic puller), and that's a great thing. Everybody's situation is always a little bit different. All of us get a little bit smarter discussing our different circumstances doing the same job or procedure.......thanks to this forum! Regards, Steve

Not sure how usable with a 1 3/8" x 1 1/8" stepped to 7/8" x 1 7/8" shaft but Surplus Center has brand new 10hp recoil Tecumsehs for $140!

FINALLY .....a roller!!! The spindle holes in the front end were quite oblonged so I managed to get some bushings installed so it tightened up fairly well. Spindles were pretty worn too but that would have been real expensive machining so will run as is.

Ok i gave it a good squeeze with the vice grips then took them off and it seems to have done the trick ,,, not to tight but its tight now ,, thanks guys you are great !! Really appreciate the help !!

I don't know the history of it. I own a scrap yard and the PO brought it in saying the carb or fuel pump was bad. Tore into it and the rod was snapped. New rod and it purred like a kitten. Mowed the grass with it for a month this last year until the rod journal got too warm. It still ran and drove fine in all gears hi and low. It may be someone was in there, when I replaced the one axle seal on the same side of the brake band the seal was on backwards, as was the seal behind the brake when I popped the pulley off. Regardless it'll get split at some point this year, but before I do I'd rather have all bearings and seals on hand for the project. I've got axle seals, as well as seals for break and drive shafts, and I ordered a new cap bearing for the old open one. What other bearings am I in need of? If I'm gonna do it itll be done right the first time.

I am leaning to the fact that some one had been in there and had no clue what they were doing. There have been a lot of frozen transmissions and I have seen none do that. Seen them actually bust the case and split but not push out bearings.

My commando 8 was gave to me by my dad and was my first horse. Sounds like we have the same story stevasaurus

I agree with stevasauras i have had larger horses with plows but find my self using the smaller short frames i've used my commando 8 the for plowing the last couple years

Geez! I logged on earlier this morning and the theme was normal. Watched a 9 minute video on here, hit the home button and the pink had taken over. Just about spit coffee on the puter screen. Nope, pink isn't my thing but I'll leave it. Sorta fun for a day.

Oh My ,, its only 87 miles from my house !!!! Well gonna talk to momma and see if maybe the grandson would like to go, he is 13, this sounds like fun!! Do you all camp ? Hotel it ? And thanks for the info AMC rules , appreciate it bud...

Ok guys sorry to sound like a horse's rear end ( pun intended) lol where is the big show ? When is it ? Can i get all the info plz,, maybe i can bring my grandson sounds real fun,, plus you'all said the magic word ""PIE"" lol mmmmm thanks in advance..

The initial clean up of one.........looks like it is going to end up being VERY presentable!!

I was on the usual forum, got up to take the dog out to do her business, came back in and everything had gone pink, thought the cold might have gotten to too, until I found this thread

I'm with scotty on this one, it's the easiest thing to try first, and it usually works well. You don't necessarily have to squeeze very hard, I usually tighten with the vise grips just a little at first, see if that works, and then tighten a little bit more if necessary. I've done that with my 310-8 and C-105, and it's solved the problem and held up for several years so far.

Looks like A good project tractor.

The 5xi is actually a better platform for the 60" deck. The mount is sturdier and wider to handle the additional weight.

Finished up and ready for a coat of primer.