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It'll most likely go unoticed if I dont bring it up but the guy who started this site back in November of 2006 is celebrating his 25th birthday today (whchris). Yep, he was 17 when this all got started ! He wont see this post as he doen't visit but I communicate with him every so often thru facebook, I'll give him a happy birthday shout-out there. Mike..............

Have you ever wondered about the History of the engines that were planted in our tractors http://www.kohlerengines.com/about/landing.htm

Picked up this beast this morning. Has a good deck, but I plan on putting my spare blower on and make it my primary snow mover. I'll put the Tecky powered C-120 into semiretirement.... It has had a long working life and deserves a little R&R. Can't wait to try that hydro lift.

So here it is. I made a lift link for the mid mount grader blade. I would like some input from you all. What kind of demand is there for them and how much is a fair price that I can sell them for. I made this one where I work. I made a CAD drawing of it, from a pdf file that a fellow RS member posted (Thanks goes out to Him) then I cut it out on a CNC water jet cutter, turned the pins on a lathe drilled the holes and gave it a nice coat of Rust-O-Leum Regal Red. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks Tom

[ My brother David Ralph and I just got back from Fairland, Oklahoma on a Wheel Horse Road Trip. About 7 1/2 to 8 hours from Greencastle, Indiana to Fairland, Oklahoma. We went to pick up Wheel Horse RJ that had been owned by one man for 60 years. I was not sure about the tractor when I saw the first pictures of it sent by the seller but after I talked to him and saw that there were 5 implements with the tractor going at one price I had to really think about it. I paid for half of the cost in December when I learned about this being sold and told the seller I would have to wait for good weather to come and pick it up. Friday, March 8th was 63 degrees in Fairland and it was about 50 degrees and sunny on the way thru Missouri Thursday. I was very happy when I saw the tractor in person Friday morning. Some dents and weld spots on the hood, but good, clean gasoline tank, original motor -K-90 , Schnacke Recoil in great working order, pancake muffler in good shape, original belt guard in great condition, original belt guide for 32 inch cutter bar belt, good seat and spring (seat not cracked anywhere) and five pretty good implements. A CBR-32 inch cutter bar (with all original parts), a LT-24 dump cart, a cultivator, and 8 inch garden plow, and a spiked tooth harrow. Front tires don't match and not good -wheels good. Rear wheels good and no rear tires. We also stopped at a friends in Illinois and bought two more rear tires and wheels to use on the RJ and another cultivator. I will post some photos. I am not planning on doing much to this tractor but tune up motor, new belt, points, and tires. May paint wheels for added life! The new bridge on I-70 into downtown St. Louis The St. Louis Gateway Arch: Stopped and Visited with A Red Square member's nephew in Wyandotte, Ok -just east of Fairland: The RJ sellers Place on Grand Lake in Fairland , Oklahoma: Loading the RJ up: Some of the implement photos:

They don't wear off, they just wear you down.

Wow Lane, you hit the jackpot! I did get a little dizzy looking at some of the photos!

Did you wave as you went by?

Hydro lifts ARE THE BOMB!!!!!!!

I'm sure your going to go thru it, fluids, filters, grease etc....but since its new to you I would take the time to get the engine tins off and make sure its clean of any build up such as grass clipping. Overheating is bad for the ONANS. Nice find, should prove to be a great worker! Mike.............

Brian, I am surprised you haven't made your own out of SS by now.

There is still a lot of snow on this mountain. (Ridge to all those who live in the Rockies)! Worked the 520 about three hours clearing enough space off the forestry road for about three trucks to park. March Madness is coming and we will be out there come h#%$ or high snow! Once I got through the crust it was great as long as I didn't dig into the ice pack. I angled the bucket to much one time and tore into that base. I had a 4 foot square soup bowl that swamped the rear wheels when I dropped into it. As long as I stayed on the base, I was fine. I measured about 22 inches of snow still in the open areas when I started. Temperature hit 39 degrees at 3:30 in the afternoon. It was 53 degrees on the valley floor at home before I left. I used my little trailer to get it out there. That is the first and last time I will carry that much weight on that little guy! I thought my trailer tires were made from super ball polymers. What a ride!

I think it was Kelly that suggested this once in a thread, but I have never read about anyone actually doing it. I think I'm done with my tiller for the year, so I decided to remove the tine assemblies to replace a leaking seal, and maybe if I can find the motivation, a look at the chain and bearings. The side where the seal was leaking slipped off just fine (what a surprise huh?) but the assembly on the other side was stuck solid. Kevin (KPinNC) showed years ago a puller he fabbed up and I was going to do that, but first I wanted to try something quick and easy. Let some PB Blaster soak in for an hour or two, pulled the two pins that hold the assembly on, drop the tiller on the ground, engage the PTO and in 5 seconds the axle was spinning inside the tines. Lift the tiller back up and slide off the tine assembly. Doesnt get much quicker than that!

Hey Lane …..Looks like you picked up some really neat stuff . I've always enjoyed the excitement of road tripping for a tractors and tractor parts….Looks like it was a fun trip!!!

Very nice haul lane! Looks like a nice tractor...and some very hard to find attachments!

Looks like your truck is only "half full".....fifteen minutes and I could have overloaded it for ya....you better plan on another trip "west of the big ole Mississippi!" PS...better bring a bigger truck ...mabe even a trailer if Ol550 will turn loose some of his stuff!!! PSS...nice haul.

now some engine stuff..... installed the bearing plate seal and bolted the bearing plate on the engine. i installed the shims same as how they came off. checked crank end clearance and right at .008. spec is .006-.012. sealer on bolts as they run through to the inside of crankcase. now onto the gear case cover. cleaned up inside of cover, installed new governor shaft seal and crank seal. bolted up to crank case. bolts have copper washers (which were annealed to help them seal) and bolts had sealer, again some go through crank case. now onto oil pan. spent a fair bit of time cleaning this part, really nasty inside. same goes with oil pick up. was removed from pump and cleaned well, then installed back in pump.... oil pan all bolted up, engine back on its feet again..... now onto the upper part of the engine. (another day).....

No plating on the lift lever shaft? See you finally made your way to the RM&C section. You want my 1045 or C-175 next?

Very nice find. You will be amazed at that tractor with Matt's foot control kit if add it.

I'm Speechless!!! Really I mean it.

Lookin good Martin! Those parts look awesome replated. In fact I see a few there I could use. The little plates that hold the PTO race on. I will rob Peter to pay Paul I reacon.

Very nice & good luck. Glenn

I pucker up a bit when I drive anywhere now days. With all these people texting and everything else except watching where they're going. It's dangerous out there.

Do what Maynard said...leave a bit sticking out and use a punch to break it towards the middle....it will collapse and will almost fall out itself....

looks like she will clean up real nice. How many Hours? the light buckets are still available.

Welcome to Red Square. In the picture below, I am holding the 2nd & 3rd fork gear. The gear turns over and fits on the bottom fork. It then aligns with the the input shaft gear...the top of that gear is visible in the trans. When you shift into 3rd gear, the fork gear slides down and sits on top of the input shaft gear. When either the teeth on the inside of the fork gear, and/or the teeth on the input shaft are worn the fork gear will pop up off the input gear...usually when under load. That is what is going on in the horse you are looking at. It is an easy fix, but the worn gear needs to be replaced. It looks like you have the 4 speed trans.

Found mine last year, 520-8 a '90 model. I like the ride or feel or whatever it might be mowin' and/or plowin' snow with the 520-8. I just installed four new donuts (tires). Rationalize? I like all my Stallions and my 2nd go to is my 416-8 ('85). They're all great!

I guess he must have discovered girls and Wheel Horse tractors took a back seat. Happy Birthday to Chris.

That is a nice Black Hood and a Black Hood collector might buy it for parts if nothing else. I don't refinish and instead I buy good parts from other tractors and swap parts. Not sure how much storage you have but you could wind up cluttering your property up with too many machines. I would steer you towards a twin cylinder tractor like a C-175 Black Hood or a 520H. I consider those the "muscle machines" of the brand with more power and smother running engines that fill up the engine compartment. Here is 1980 C-175 hydro that I paid $450 for. It was a rust bucket but had a nice running KT17 Series II and the hydro worked beautifully. I then replaced the hood, fender, seat, belt covers, wheels, engine tins, and air cleaner with nicer parts from other tractors. Before: After with more upgrades to do like the dash tower:

I like it Tom. Wouldn't it be easier and less time involved to buy a clevis pin for one end and the trunnion pin for the other end and weld them in? I don't know what the demand is other than I would be interested. Price? I think in the $10-$15 range would be acceptable. By the way we still need to get together for that parts swap. Sparky's got a point but if your cutting one or two, you might as well let the machine cut a dozen or more at a time. Is that possible?

I would also suggest the American market place has changed greatly during the evolution of Wheel Horse. Wheel Horse was almost a necessity in rural America with the gardens and way of life after the war. Urban society no longer has the same need for gardens and lives on smaller properties. The life style and the buying culture has changed and with it so has the market. JD has been able to evolve meeting the needs of the consumer as well as the commercial user. Toro has been evolving too but not with Wheel Horse. With all due respect to our beloved little tractors, they lived their day. Many of us are fortunate enough to be able to own them and use them but in reality there is no market today for what they are.

So I take it then that you will not be using them at all? "CLEAN AND DRY" , that is funny...I guess they would make a nice wall mural if you know how to do that type of art work....Just sayin' clean and dry when it comes to snow and chains, is like sayin' I am going to work on my tractor and not get "dirty". . Sorry man, just had to say something, that is funny!

More to that point..... WH was absorbed into Toro....You can still purchase a Toro GT, but it is not the same.... Toro is, as I have stated in other threads, a remarkable, well talked about product when it comes to golf courses...John Deere, Jacobson, Ransom all have played the "catch-up" game in this area. If Toro were to put forth the effort, they could bring back the WH, but we have had that discussion before also...The price would be staggering and what would the "fit" be? John Deere, Simplicity, Kubota, ect...all have the SCUT market. Introducing a WH into that market would make sense, but the name has been forgotten, except for those who truly know what WH meant...So, how would it sell? Would you put $7k down on a product that has the name WH, just because you wanted a new WH regardless of the ROI factor? I'd like to think that Toro would do it right. But remember, in their market of golf courses, everyone else is still playing the catch up game with Toro...Would it not stand to reason that Toro would need to catch-up with everyone else in the SCUT market? As for the $2-2.5k package, if you can find one, better jump on it fast because someone else will. There is a 520H rig on TractorHouse. Asking price is $3,900.00. Attachments are mower deck, tiller, 2-stage and a cab...Only 320hrs....That is a deal and a half....Karl, not advertising, just making a point is all. Final point...Yes, Berco/Bervac are known for their ability to throw snow....But that video is over the top...I realize there are many factors that allow snow to be thrown as stated above....But I promise you the Berco's you purchase today will not deliver that type of performance unless you do something to enhance or modify the impeller clearance/// done with my rant!

A digital multimeter will be extremely helpful necessary for troubleshooting the ignition circuit. Do you have one? A $20 meter from Sears, Radio Shack, etc will be needed to perform testing on the igntion system components

I don't think there is any argument that the Berco throws snow farther. It's because it spins faster. There are 3 points that need to be made about the video first is that its an onan 18 and wheel horse 520s an some 416 have the onan 20/16 so it does not matter if it green or red all that matters is rpm at the pto. Second is the temperature and texture of the snow is VERY important because 1 inch of rain at 32 degrees is about 5 inches of snow and at 15 degrees it's about 15 inches. The lighter it is the farther it will be thrown. My third point is (that I keep reiterating) cost a 318 with a Berco is going to cost a bunch more than a typical wh with a single or even a 2 stage blower. Whoever reads this thread in the future nobody here is talking about a walker zero turn with attachments as comparable to our beloved tractors. Sorry your talking 12-15k it's just a ridiculous comparison. Sorry but I think the original poster is pulling our collective chain.

For posterity, I thought it important... to include a couple images(from the auction)of the the Schnacke holy grail.

Brrly1 I apologized for busting on Brennen and his signature in his original post, I then went on to give him solid advise as to how to solve his problem without looking for or at manual that may or may not have been available. Their are many things that are needed to become a good technician one of the most important skills is developing the ability to look at the parts and having them tell you what they want or need to be happy doing whatever they are supposed to do. Hopefully all of our young and not so young members will continue to work on improving our skills and learn how to troubleshoot, test, diagnose and repair these tractors properly and not just throw parts at them until the problem is solved. I'm sure that it would be a Pleasure to meet Brennan and encourage him to continue working on these tractors. Shorts

My 310-8 is also overcharging. I just replaced the battery with a new 230 CCA battery. This is plenty for the 10 HP engine. My tractor will start with a dead battery and a 50 AMP start boost from my charger. The battery I replaced only lasted less than three years which I believe is from overcharging After I installed the new battery, I ran the tractor and measured 16.90 VDC across the battery terminals. It may have still gone up more but I didn't wait. I tried three 15 AMP diodes in series with the built in charging diode and and ignition switch. Voltage was still going past 16 VDC. I decided to drill a hole in the control panel next to the head light switch and installed a toggle switch rated 3 AMP. This switch was then wired in series with the charging diode. I can now run the tractor until the voltmeter reads 14 VDC and then turn the charge off and periodically turn it back on to maintain 14 VDC. I don't know why Wheel Horse never put a real voltage regulator in the 310-8. catfish83

Man a cultivator set, a mid grader and a tiller! Looks like the holy grail!

A fool and his money soon part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrRzS0YXVU

Well...forget EVERYTHING I said about Illinois...except that I jinxed them last night. They really stunk up the joint and probably ruined any chance of going to the Big Dance.

Duke, you need to ad "Big Ten champs" to that sign my friend... (I don't know how I missed this thread) -BK

You've given me idea's on fixing my dump cart.

MY WIFE........................................

I just took delivery of my hitch. Let me be blunt. WOW!!!!!! Everything about it is great. I have to give credit where its due and thank these gentleman for such a well built beast of a hitch. Best of all and keeping with the wheel horse tradition,,,,,,,,,,MADE IN THE USA. Glenn

Way too organized. Gotta mess it up a bit.

I want to thank everyone for the overwhelming amount of compliments on my final edition. It was a real thrill to see the faces of everyone when I handed them their books at the show. It was truly a huge project that consumed my life, but was a labor of love and strong desire to pay homage to Cecil Pond. Many people have asked me how many were printed. Here are the production numbers for the three editions. First Edition: 4000 Second Edition: 4500 Final Edition: 2100 The Final Edition is limited due to the high production costs that went in to making it a high quality lasting tribute to Elmer and Cecil. As I mentioned, I wanted to keep the cost reasonable with the highest quality possible. I don't want to see people selling them at ridiculous prices on Ebay so that was another reason for the lower production number. The books are being purchased faster than you can imagine and I strongly encourage everyone to get a it now. Although not intended to be a collectable, the first two editions are in such demand, image how desirable this Final Edition will be with a smaller production total and having exposure on Red Square, The Wheel Horse Collector's Club site, as well as a beautiful article in Lawn and Garden Tractor Collector Magazine. I signed every book even if you purchased it on line, however, I did write personal messages in hundreds of books at the show. Thanks to everyone for being part of the best hobby on earth. I know Cecil and Elmer Pond are looking down upon us with amazement and appreciation. I just hope I made them proud. Michael

The 42 RD is what I am exactly looking for, I think its the perfect size for my needs. I have a door opening width of 47" into my shed, so ti will work there. I dont think the 42 SD will fit thru due to the chute sticking out. Mike